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  • #16
    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

    Actually, Hell is freezing over.
    Current Temperature in Hell is 29 degees. F of course, because we still use the Imperial system.
    Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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    • #17
      One question is how many people admire both Trump and Obama. That would really be something
      Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
      Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

      George S Patton

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Rutger View Post
        12th time most admired man vs one time most admired man.

        Who's the winner so far?

        Anyway, ya'll seem pretty obsessed about who has the largest d**k.
        https://splinternews.com/fact-checki...ize-1793855171
        The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
          One question is how many people admire both Trump and Obama. That would really be something
          https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...ankings-235149

          Barak Obama gets high ratings for upholding the moral authority of the
          office of the POTUS.
          In the long term, he probably stalls in the upper mid range of Us Presidents- based on what was a poorly set up , flawed system of domestic universal health care. His foreign policy is gaining a burnishing- some of the extreme requests made of him, such as a military response to Putin's takeover of Crimea, were simply "tactical dreaming."
          The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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          • #20
            It's very telling that Obama is still so admired, as is Michelle. She won the honour 2 years in a row.
            "Never argue with an idiot. They'll just drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience" George Carlin

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            • #21
              Originally posted by marktwain View Post

              https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...ankings-235149

              Barak Obama gets high ratings for upholding the moral authority of the
              office of the POTUS.
              He might, but I'd strongly disagree with that, starting with his Attorney General being the only one held (repeatedly) in contempt of Congress in history.

              In the long term, he probably stalls in the upper mid range of Us Presidents- based on what was a poorly set up , flawed system of domestic universal health care. His foreign policy is gaining a burnishing- some of the extreme requests made of him, such as a military response to Putin's takeover of Crimea, were simply "tactical dreaming."
              I'd say he ranks in the bottom 10. His economic policies were a disaster and he saw the worst economy and economic growth of almost any president in over 100 years. His foreign policy was a complete mess (remember the "red line in the sand" for example, or the "Arab Spring" that turned into a disastrous mess of failed states run by new petty dictators and theocrats?).

              His domestic policy handling saw more public dissention and rioting than we've had since the 60's.

              While Obama is hardly the worst president we've had, he was really very mediocre.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                One question is how many people admire both Trump and Obama. That would really be something
                They're both admired for different reasons. Obama, because he satisfies the mainstream, politically correct culture. He says bland, feel-good, liberal things, and you can point to him and say, "See, world, don't be jealous, we're sorry for being so powerful."

                With Trump, you get peace and prosperity, although the mainstream, politically-correct culture goes nuts.
                "It is a fine fox chase, my boys"

                "It is well that war is so terrible-we would grow too fond of it"

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by American87 View Post

                  With Trump, you get peace...
                  Tell that to the Kurds, whom Trump betrayed, and to the mess in Baghdad.

                  We are not now that strength which in old days
                  Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                  Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                  To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by marktwain View Post

                    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...ankings-235149

                    Barak Obama gets high ratings for upholding the moral authority of the
                    office of the POTUS.
                    In the long term, he probably stalls in the upper mid range of Us Presidents- based on what was a poorly set up , flawed system of domestic universal health care. His foreign policy is gaining a burnishing- some of the extreme requests made of him, such as a military response to Putin's takeover of Crimea, were simply "tactical dreaming."
                    Right Obama is liked for his leadership skills ie being a motivator.. I also give Obama tactical credit wrt taking out OBL, and rendering AQ, ISIL, the Taliban into a weak state...those groups have been unheard of at least in the so called west.

                    Obama may be in the Top 15 POTUS imo. On healthcare I think Obama wanted to do more..ie Root Canals and other dental work cost much more in the USA compared to other advanced countries such as Ireland and Canada. And thats been a lingering issue in the USA wrt high healthcare costs, as well as long wait times in between doctors appointments.
                    Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                    Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                    George S Patton

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by American87 View Post

                      They're both admired for different reasons. Obama, because he satisfies the mainstream, politically correct culture. He says bland, feel-good, liberal things, and you can point to him and say, "See, world, don't be jealous, we're sorry for being so powerful."

                      With Trump, you get peace and prosperity, although the mainstream, politically-correct culture goes nuts.
                      Obama was very much involved in US military decisions. I dont see Obama as apologizing for the USA, same with AOC btw they both have praised American figures of the past such as Robert Byrd and FDR. That goes to show leading democrats such as Obama and now AOC realize that people like Byrd and FDR made personal mistakes but redeemed themselves later in life.

                      Trump does not seem to be a warhawk, he might be less war like in comparison to Obama. Trump did not like the USA invading Iraq for example. Trump is also a teetotaler... Obama would have a smoke and a whiskey with you...like Churchill would have. Obama was liberal in that sense as Churchill was of taking to a nice drink... In the WW2 era it was a sign of respect for the leadership of countries to have a drink or smoke in the public.
                      Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                      Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                      George S Patton

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                        He might, but I'd strongly disagree with that, starting with his Attorney General being the only one held (repeatedly) in contempt of Congress in history.



                        I'd say he ranks in the bottom 10. His economic policies were a disaster and he saw the worst economy and economic growth of almost any president in over 100 years. His foreign policy was a complete mess (remember the "red line in the sand" for example, or the "Arab Spring" that turned into a disastrous mess of failed states run by new petty dictators and theocrats?).

                        His domestic policy handling saw more public dissention and rioting than we've had since the 60's.

                        While Obama is hardly the worst president we've had, he was really very mediocre.
                        Including Herb and Warren? Woody was lucky to have a war break out on his watch......
                        The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

                          Obama was very much involved in US military decisions. I dont see Obama as apologizing for the USA, same with AOC btw they both have praised American figures of the past such as Robert Byrd and FDR. That goes to show leading democrats such as Obama and now AOC realize that people like Byrd and FDR made personal mistakes but redeemed themselves later in life.

                          Trump does not seem to be a warhawk, he might be less war like in comparison to Obama. Trump did not like the USA invading Iraq for example. Trump is also a teetotaler... Obama would have a smoke and a whiskey with you...like Churchill would have. Obama was liberal in that sense as Churchill was of taking to a nice drink... In the WW2 era it was a sign of respect for the leadership of countries to have a drink or smoke in the public.
                          Obama went on a world-wide apology tour his first year in office. Don't you remember his bowing to foreign dignitaries? And I guess Obama was ""Involved" in military decisions; he was the commander-in-chief, after all. And yeah, he praised Democrats. That's a bit self-serving, if you ask me. He called republicans terrorists and said they clung to guns and religion. That's hardly something future generations can look back on with pride. He was a partisan hack who felt America should be marginalized. But that's what other countries want to hear, and Democrats want to make other countries happy, so it passed for enlightened statesmanship.

                          Trump's not a warhawk at all. He sets standards and keeps them, which is why he bombed Syria and ISIS, two things Obama could have done. Because he follows through on his promises, Trump has ensured peace where others failed. Kim Jung-Un and Putin both like him, and we haven't had any crazy missle threats or Russian aggrandizement since he bombed Syria, proving that he would stand up for American interests.

                          Obama was the Apoligizer-in-Chief, if you're into that sort of thing and buy into the Liberal, "America is an evil imperalist" narrative of history. Trump wants every American to do well. It's just that Democrats and Republicans have different views on America's identity.
                          "It is a fine fox chase, my boys"

                          "It is well that war is so terrible-we would grow too fond of it"

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by American87 View Post

                            Obama went on a world-wide apology tour his first year in office. Don't you remember his bowing to foreign dignitaries? And I guess Obama was ""Involved" in military decisions; he was the commander-in-chief, after all. And yeah, he praised Democrats. That's a bit self-serving, if you ask me. He called republicans terrorists and said they clung to guns and religion. That's hardly something future generations can look back on with pride. He was a partisan hack who felt America should be marginalized. But that's what other countries want to hear, and Democrats want to make other countries happy, so it passed for enlightened statesmanship.

                            Trump's not a warhawk at all. He sets standards and keeps them, which is why he bombed Syria and ISIS, two things Obama could have done. Because he follows through on his promises, Trump has ensured peace where others failed. Kim Jung-Un and Putin both like him, and we haven't had any crazy missle threats or Russian aggrandizement since he bombed Syria, proving that he would stand up for American interests.

                            Obama was the Apoligizer-in-Chief, if you're into that sort of thing and buy into the Liberal, "America is an evil imperalist" narrative of history. Trump wants every American to do well. It's just that Democrats and Republicans have different views on America's identity.
                            Wrt the so called apology tour as well as the idea that Obama called GOP terrorists, that did not occur. But thats what some of the conservative media want you to think. You may be mixing Obamas statements with Hillary Clinton whom played a verbal tit for tat game with Donald Trump.

                            Obama does not come off as a weak figure. His personal life ie that he is not a teetotaler combined with being a political leader that has led the military on numerous actions...shows Obama is not some kind of weak hearted person. I dont see Barack or Michelle Obama as viewing America as so called evil imperialists. Obama visited middle eastern countries, so has Trump. Trumps first ever foreign visit was to Saudi Arabia...No democrats are calling Trump a Muslim...but some conservatives have disrespected Obama by calling Obama a Muslim. Some Trump supporters criticize the Mayor of London because hes Muslim, I have not heard of liberals out there criticizing Schiff of Schumer because they are Jewish.


                            Kim has recently been threatening to unveil his latest weapon. I think any country has a right to defend itself, and Im sure many North Koreans are great people. But the relation right now between Trump and Kim is not at a high point. And NK itself should liberalize more and Trump could play a role in this. Before Trump no US POTUS meant with the leader of NK, but Trump has.
                            Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                            Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                            George S Patton

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

                              Wrt the so called apology tour as well as the idea that Obama called GOP terrorists, that did not occur. But thats what some of the conservative media want you to think. You may be mixing Obamas statements with Hillary Clinton whom played a verbal tit for tat game with Donald Trump.

                              Obama does not come off as a weak figure. His personal life ie that he is not a teetotaler combined with being a political leader that has led the military on numerous actions...shows Obama is not some kind of weak hearted person. I dont see Barack or Michelle Obama as viewing America as so called evil imperialists. Obama visited middle eastern countries, so has Trump. Trumps first ever foreign visit was to Saudi Arabia...No democrats are calling Trump a Muslim...but some conservatives have disrespected Obama by calling Obama a Muslim. Some Trump supporters criticize the Mayor of London because hes Muslim, I have not heard of liberals out there criticizing Schiff of Schumer because they are Jewish.


                              Kim has recently been threatening to unveil his latest weapon. I think any country has a right to defend itself, and Im sure many North Koreans are great people. But the relation right now between Trump and Kim is not at a high point. And NK itself should liberalize more and Trump could play a role in this. Before Trump no US POTUS meant with the leader of NK, but Trump has.
                              Obama didn't call it an apology tour, he called it "reckoning with history." https://www.politico.com/story/2016/...apology-223446 What some remember as the great days of FDR and American victory in WWII, Obama remembers as something we have to reckon with. It's demoralizing. But liberals love "reckoning with history," so Obama passes as an enlightened statesman. They miss these "reckoning" tours and Obama's "lead from behind" strategy.

                              Conservatives called Obama a Muslim because he was photographed in Muslim garb. It was like Trudeau dressing in blackface or as an Indian, or whatever he's doing now. Liberals want to pass as multi-cultural and enlightened, but they don't want to be called on it. Obama can dress as a Muslim, but don't call him a Muslim. He's just a liberal Christian who dresses as a Muslim.

                              And yeah, Kim Jung Un promised a Christmas present, and never delivered. Some people are waiting for the Trump-Kim Summit to be reversed, and to have North Korea go back to a war-mongering hermit state, but others like them being peaceful. North Korea should westernize, which is what I guess you mean by saying "liberalize," as far as South Korea has done, but that's on them, unless you want us to invade. For whatever it's worth to people, Trump has made more progress in this regard than any previous president.
                              "It is a fine fox chase, my boys"

                              "It is well that war is so terrible-we would grow too fond of it"

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by American87 View Post

                                Obama didn't call it an apology tour, he called it "reckoning with history." https://www.politico.com/story/2016/...apology-223446 What some remember as the great days of FDR and American victory in WWII, Obama remembers as something we have to reckon with. It's demoralizing. But liberals love "reckoning with history," so Obama passes as an enlightened statesman. They miss these "reckoning" tours and Obama's "lead from behind" strategy.

                                Conservatives called Obama a Muslim because he was photographed in Muslim garb. It was like Trudeau dressing in blackface or as an Indian, or whatever he's doing now. Liberals want to pass as multi-cultural and enlightened, but they don't want to be called on it. Obama can dress as a Muslim, but don't call him a Muslim. He's just a liberal Christian who dresses as a Muslim.

                                And yeah, Kim Jung Un promised a Christmas present, and never delivered. Some people are waiting for the Trump-Kim Summit to be reversed, and to have North Korea go back to a war-mongering hermit state, but others like them being peaceful. North Korea should westernize, which is what I guess you mean by saying "liberalize," as far as South Korea has done, but that's on them, unless you want us to invade. For whatever it's worth to people, Trump has made more progress in this regard than any previous president.
                                Actually, the far right called him a 'muslim' because you people believe everything people like Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh write.
                                I certainly don't recall Laura Bush,or her mother in law, or Nancy Reagan getting the nonsense , to put it diplomatically, that the Obamas, mother and daughter, had dumped on them.
                                The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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