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  • #16
    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Schiff got major heckled and protested at an event in his home district today:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp

    I tell you, this won't end well for Democrats.
    The hecklers were Trump supporters. Surprised? I think not...

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

    A town hall recognizing strides toward getting the U.S. government to recognize the Armenian Genocide was usurped this weekend by protestors angry with Rep. Adam Schiff for taking a leading role in House Democrats' quest to impeach President Donald Trump.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Trung Si View Post
      The aides -- Javier Gamboa, Edward Kaczmarski, Justin M. O'Leary, Mackenzie Lucas and Caroline Wood -- wrote in the letter that they can "no longer in good conscience continue our service in the Congressman's employ."
      Who cares?
      I would suggest that the Congressman most certainly does. And since the 'defection' of the Congressman was brought up in the OP, this is indicative that the Congressman's decision is not being accepted by his own people.

      Further, it has been suggested that he is worried as a Democrat, that there will be a Democrat challenger in November.

      1.https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/15/polit...ent/index.html

      Much of the staff serving a freshman Democratic congressman resigned on Sunday after sources said the lawmaker prepares to switch to the Republican Party, according to a signed letter obtained by CNN.


      Five aides to New Jersey Rep. Jeff Van Drew -- Javier Gamboa, Edward Kaczmarski, Justin M. O'Leary, Mackenzie Lucas and Caroline Wood -- wrote in the letter that they can "no longer in good conscience continue our service in the Congressman's employ."

      A sixth staffer also resigned Sunday evening, a source with knowledge of the matter told CNN.

      Among the staffers who quit were Van Drew's legislative director, communications director and his scheduler."We greatly appreciate the opportunities that the Congressman has given us, and we are proud of the work we've done together on behalf of the people of New Jersey's Second Congressional District," the letter said. "Sadly, Congressman Van Drew's decision to join the ranks of the Republican Party led by (President) Donald Trump does not align with the values we brought to this job when we joined his office."
      The resignations come as Van Drew, who strongly opposes House Democrats' impeachment of Trump, has told colleagues of his intentions to switch parties, according to two sources.
      Internal polling has shown he was losing major support from Democrats in the district, Democratic sources told CNN on Saturday. Switching parties would allow Van Drew to avoid a Democratic primary challenge for his seat.

      2. The resignation letter is here:
      https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/15/polit...ter/index.html


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      • #18
        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
        Schiff got major heckled and protested at an event in his home district today:

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp

        I tell you, this won't end well for Democrats.
        Umm....duh?

        I'm really convinced that the Democrats and Labour have the same investment advisor, have been told by their advisor that these are sure things and couldn't possibly go bad for them.

        Democrats got spanked in 2016 by ignoring their traditional base and going hard.

        Democrats made minor gains in 2018 by vilifying their traditional base that defected and aiming to create additional 'minority' blocs. These gains won back one house.

        Labour just got absolutely "Reckt" by going hard left, vilifying their traditional base before they'd even defected, and so forth.

        And now we have the Democrats tripling down on their left wing so hard that moderate dems are starting to openly defect, and there's a solid chance that a number will openly defy party leadership. I'm very interested to see how the vote goes down. I doubt it'll be 'party line' so much as it will be 'party divide'. 16. If 16 Democrats defy Pelosi and the hardliners, they lose in the House. If you look back at the only other impeachment done purely for political reasons with no actual crime denoted in its articles (Andrew Johnson), there was a large majority of house support and he kept his job by only 1 vote in the Senate. And History views Johnson's impeachment as a political Sham.

        If the Democrats continue this way, I forsee the possibility of a revised "Green Party" filled with Moderate Democrats actually starting a rise in America as the Democrats take themselves to become the 3rd Party of Socialists and Communists...and ultimately go the way of the Whigs.
        Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Massena View Post

          The hecklers were Trump supporters. Surprised? I think not...

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

          A town hall recognizing strides toward getting the U.S. government to recognize the Armenian Genocide was usurped this weekend by protestors angry with Rep. Adam Schiff for taking a leading role in House Democrats' quest to impeach President Donald Trump.
          My point is and was, that this sort of thing doesn't bode well for the Democrats in 2020. They're making a completely, unequivocal, partisan, political move in impeaching Trump. They don't have support outside their own party, and to a degree, not even within it. The public is against it.
          The result is that a big chunk of Americans, and not just Republicans, are not going to think well or positively of the Democrats. Many will be angered by their unilateral waste of time doing this and will show that anger at the polls in 2020 by voting against them.

          And, like the Left has done so many times before, when it all goes wrong and against them they'll be standing there wondering what the hell happened. They will be shocked and confused by the lack of support they got for what, to them, was obviously a greater good. That will lead to anger and insults of the "basket of deplorables" kind that will further erode support.

          That will result in the usual trying to undo the election by force or nefarious means.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post

            Umm....duh?

            I'm really convinced that the Democrats and Labour have the same investment advisor, have been told by their advisor that these are sure things and couldn't possibly go bad for them.

            Democrats got spanked in 2016 by ignoring their traditional base and going hard.

            Democrats made minor gains in 2018 by vilifying their traditional base that defected and aiming to create additional 'minority' blocs. These gains won back one house.

            Labour just got absolutely "Reckt" by going hard left, vilifying their traditional base before they'd even defected, and so forth.

            And now we have the Democrats tripling down on their left wing so hard that moderate dems are starting to openly defect, and there's a solid chance that a number will openly defy party leadership. I'm very interested to see how the vote goes down. I doubt it'll be 'party line' so much as it will be 'party divide'. 16. If 16 Democrats defy Pelosi and the hardliners, they lose in the House. If you look back at the only other impeachment done purely for political reasons with no actual crime denoted in its articles (Andrew Johnson), there was a large majority of house support and he kept his job by only 1 vote in the Senate. And History views Johnson's impeachment as a political Sham.

            If the Democrats continue this way, I forsee the possibility of a revised "Green Party" filled with Moderate Democrats actually starting a rise in America as the Democrats take themselves to become the 3rd Party of Socialists and Communists...and ultimately go the way of the Whigs.
            You left out the part in 2020 where Democrats came up with new ways to cheat to win. For example, in California ballot harvesting was made legal. For the first time in like forever, Orange County a bastion of Republican Conservatism saw Progressive Democrats elected to office.

            Remember videos like this one?



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            • #21
              Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
              Seems one Democrat is switching parties just ahead of the impeachment vote to become a Republican...



              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

              It's already rumored that some Democrats won't vote for impeachment too...



              https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...its-happening/

              We know two Dems voted against the enquiry...

              That's the Trump hating WaPo!

              In the House, the Democrats can now afford to lose no more than 17 votes. I'm expecting 6 to 10 Democrats will vote against the impeachment leaving the final vote in the Democrat's favor (eg., they impeach Trump) on a very thin party-line margin of a vote.

              Meanwhile, public support for impeachment has been on a slow and steady decline.

              It's not looking good for the Democrats....
              It was a stupid over to begin with, and The Democrats will spend the next decade or two trying to shovel their way out of the mountain of s*** that will bury them before this is over.
              Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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