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  • And so the defections begin...

    Seems one Democrat is switching parties just ahead of the impeachment vote to become a Republican...

    Officials said Saturday that Rep. Jeff Van Drew of New Jersey, a vocally anti-impeachment Democrat, will join the Republican Party in the coming days — delivering a political jolt to Democrats ahead of next week’s expected vote to impeach the president.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

    It's already rumored that some Democrats won't vote for impeachment too...

    So let’s game this out. Say Republicans stay in lockstep with Trump, but six to 10 House Democrats and two Senate Democrats cross over. Suddenly, this becomes something the Democrats weren’t even united on — something that was deemed to be too drastic for some of their most vulnerable members.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...its-happening/

    We know two Dems voted against the enquiry...

    That's the Trump hating WaPo!

    In the House, the Democrats can now afford to lose no more than 17 votes. I'm expecting 6 to 10 Democrats will vote against the impeachment leaving the final vote in the Democrat's favor (eg., they impeach Trump) on a very thin party-line margin of a vote.

    Meanwhile, public support for impeachment has been on a slow and steady decline.

    It's not looking good for the Democrats....


  • #2
    The worst thing isn't the actual impeachment vote but the dangerous precedents Schiff and Nadler have done using legalistic and parliamentary tricks to weaponize these committees for political gains.

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    • #3
      NJ 2nd voted Republican every election 1994 - 2016, with average 60%.

      Van Drew can read the writing on the wall.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Freebird View Post
        NJ 2nd voted Republican every election 1994 - 2016, with average 60%.

        Van Drew can read the writing on the wall.
        I predict a plea bargain for a vote of censure. Which William Clinton probably deserved....
        The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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        • #5
          Originally posted by marktwain View Post

          I predict a plea bargain for a vote of censure. Which William Clinton probably deserved....
          I predict Trump is utterly and completely defiant, the vote in the House is close with up to around 10 Democrats defecting and no Republican support. But, Trump is impeached. From the Left's POV, this makes sense. They see among themselves, that they are "doing justice." Doesn't matter that everyone else can see they're headed to a train wreck. And, when the train wreck happens, like it inevitably does, the Left stands there wondering and saying "What the hell happened? We should have easily won..."

          The first train wreck is the public doesn't rally behind the Democrats on this as they likely keep telling each other will happen. Instead, they tank in the polls. That will bring a new round of Democrat derision to the Middle Class and those that don't live in Leftist / Progressive enclaves on the Coasts.

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          • #6
            Since he would not get a dime or any type of support from the Democratic Party, he figured out that he had no reason to stay with them. I guess, if he was honestly concerned about principles, he could still choose to be an independent but since the GOP is willing to score points, his joining the new party works for both of them. He gets money to support his expenses and the GOP at a modest price will argue that this impeachment is so "unfair" that even Democrats prefer to become republicans.

            Good riddance..

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            • #7
              Originally posted by pamak View Post
              Since he would not get a dime or any type of support from the Democratic Party, he figured out that he had no reason to stay with them. I guess, if he was honestly concerned about principles, he could still choose to be an independent but since the GOP is willing to score points, his joining the new party works for both of them. He gets money to support his expenses and the GOP at a modest price will argue that this impeachment is so "unfair" that even Democrats prefer to become republicans.

              Good riddance..

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              Actually, if you look at his district, he knew which side his bread was buttered on and he would almost certainly lose staying with the Democrats and voting for impeachment. He's hardly the only one either.

              https://news.yahoo.com/wrestling-imp...100003906.html

              That's another in Michigan who is facing a very hostile district. So, does she vote to impeach knowing full well it will almost certainly mean the end of her congressional career, or does she vote against it and try to stay in office?

              She's one of about 30 Democrats faced with that choice.

              Here in Arizona there's already speculation that Democrat Krysten Sinema, a Senator, will not vote to impeach. She's already p!$$ed off the progressive Democrats in the state to the point they formally censured her over it.

              Worse, in the Senate trial, particularly if they hold a thorough one, they could call in all the witnesses the House Democrats absolutely refused to call, like Hunter Biden, the whistleblower, and persons at State and elsewhere that will say the exact opposite of what you heard from the House investigations. That will just make the Democrats look even more partisan and the House "investigation" and impeachment out to be the show trial it was.



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              • #8
                Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post



                Worse, in the Senate trial, particularly if they hold a thorough one, they could call in all the witnesses the House Democrats absolutely refused to call, like Hunter Biden, the whistleblower, and persons at State and elsewhere that will say the exact opposite of what you heard from the House investigations. That will just make the Democrats look even more partisan and the House "investigation" and impeachment out to be the show trial it was.


                If that is the case, then perhaps those who were subpoenaed and who were not allowed or refused to testify will also be called. That will definitely not work in Trump's favor.
                We are not now that strength which in old days
                Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Massena View Post

                  If that is the case, then perhaps those who were subpoenaed and who were not allowed or refused to testify will also be called. That will definitely not work in Trump's favor.
                  It's possible, but that doesn't mean their testimony will vilify or condemn Trump either. They could show up and confirm Trump's version of things. It's clear that the Democrats in the House weren't willing to go to court to find out, nor were they willing to be thorough in their investigation. They had and have a timetable on which they're impeaching Trump. Again, show trial material there.

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                  • #10
                    I hear Tulsi might vote against...

                    "Stand for the flag ~ Kneel for the fallen"

                    "A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer." ~ Bruce Lee

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                    • #11
                      https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/15/polit...ent/index.html

                      Five aides to Rep. Jeff Van Drew of New Jersey resigned on Sunday as the lawmaker prepares to switch to the Republican Party, according to a signed resignation letter obtained by CNN.


                      The aides -- Javier Gamboa, Edward Kaczmarski, Justin M. O'Leary, Mackenzie Lucas and Caroline Wood -- wrote in the letter that they can "no longer in good conscience continue our service in the Congressman's employ."

                      "We greatly appreciate the opportunities that the Congressman has given us, and we are proud of the work we've done together on behalf of the people of New Jersey's Second Congressional District," the letter said. "Sadly, Congressman Van Drew's decision to join the ranks of the Republican Party led by (President) Donald Trump does not align with the values we brought to this job when we joined his office."

                      The resignations come as Van Drew, who strongly opposes House Democrats' impeachment of Trump, has told colleagues of his intentions to switch parties, according to two sources.
                      Internal polling has shown he was losing major support from Democrats in the district, Democratic sources told CNN on Saturday. Switching parties would allow Van Drew to avoid a Democratic primary challenge for his seat.
                      We are not now that strength which in old days
                      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                      • #12

                        The aides -- Javier Gamboa, Edward Kaczmarski, Justin M. O'Leary, Mackenzie Lucas and Caroline Wood -- wrote in the letter that they can "no longer in good conscience continue our service in the Congressman's employ."
                        Who cares?
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Trung Si View Post
                          The aides -- Javier Gamboa, Edward Kaczmarski, Justin M. O'Leary, Mackenzie Lucas and Caroline Wood -- wrote in the letter that they can "no longer in good conscience continue our service in the Congressman's employ."
                          Who cares?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Trung Si View Post
                            The aides -- Javier Gamboa, Edward Kaczmarski, Justin M. O'Leary, Mackenzie Lucas and Caroline Wood -- wrote in the letter that they can "no longer in good conscience continue our service in the Congressman's employ."
                            Who cares?

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                            • #15
                              Schiff got major heckled and protested at an event in his home district today:

                              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp

                              I tell you, this won't end well for Democrats.

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