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    President Donald Trump will sign an executive order on Wednesday to interpret Judaism as a nationality and not just a religion, a move that the Trump administration believes will fight what they perceive as anti-Semitism on college campuses, a White House official said.
    Referring to the college students who have used their first amendment right to stage protests against Israel.

    It's an order that would allow Trump to take further steps to combat anti-Israel sentiments and divestment movements on college campuses by requiring colleges and universities to treat those movements as discriminatory in order to keep their funding.
    The move would trigger a portion of the federal Civil Rights Act of 1964 that requires educational institutions receiving federal funding to not discriminate based on national origin, according to senior administration officials. The Department of Education can withhold federal funding from any college or educational program that discriminates based on race, color or national origin, according to the Civil Rights Act.Religion is not covered in that portion of the law so the administration would have to interpret Judaism as a nationality in order to potentially punish universities for violations.
    This move will grant Israel special protections that only Jewish and the country of Israel can enjoy. We are free to boycott whatever American companies we choose and have done so freely throughout history. That is now no longer the case, but only if the company is Jewish or Israeli.

    Jared Kushner, the President's son-in-law and a senior White House adviser, pushed for the move, according to the Times.
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/10/polit...ity/index.html
    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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  • #2
    You really need to check your hyperbolism.
    Credo quia absurdum.


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    • #3
      I believe the EO is directed at things like hate speech rallies and the activities of Muslim groups, not at the constitution.

      As for favoring Israel, they are one of, if not the , most valuable allies we have, especially now when the Middle East is tearing itself apart.
      Last edited by Mountain Man; 11 Dec 19, 12:56.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
        I believe the EO is directed at things like hate speech rallies and the activities of Muslim groups, not at the constitution.

        As for favoring Israel, they are one of, if not the , most valuable allies we have, especially now when the Middle East is tearing itself apart.
        They take our money and stab us in the back. They assist terrorists that we're trying to defeat in the Middle East. Not hardly a great ally.

        That aside, even if they were, why should they receive special privileges over American citizens?
        "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
        - Benjamin Franklin

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        • #5
          Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

          They take our money and stab us in the back. They assist terrorists that we're trying to defeat in the Middle East. Not hardly a great ally.

          That aside, even if they were, why should they receive special privileges over American citizens?
          I am one of the strongest critics of Israel and I certainly agree that this special relationship that the US has with Israel is useless. But you overstate your case and harm your position when you claim that Israel tries to assist terrorists that the US tries to defeat in the Middle East.
          Also, to my knowledge, the investigation of the Israeli attack against the USS LIberty, did not reveal any deliberate Israeli attempt to sink it. I understand that it APPEARS in that way but this does not mean that there is not a different and very likely interpretation that the attack was a case of misidentification. in 1974, the Turks managed to sink one of their destroyers in waters around Cyprus that were fully controlled by the Turkish navy.


          There has been declassified reports of the Liberty attack. Here is one link:
          .
          https://www.jag.navy.mil/library/jag...stigations.htm

          If you scroll down to 1967, you will see 11 parts of one such report.

          And here is a link from the CIA with additional reports

          https://www.cia.gov/library/readingr.../USS%20Liberty



          It is also important to remind you that up until the 1967, the US-Israel relationship (including the military cooperation) was not particularly strong. You may recall that the Israelis counted on French airplanes during that 1967 war. The Israeli-US relationship became very strong after the 1967 war, and it was a combination of political and cultural factors. Israel proved in 1967 that it was the dominant power in the Middle East, so the American politicians saw a useful ally.

          Also, the birth/revival of the Jesus and Evangelical movements in the 1970's and 1980's which boosted the power of the "Christian right" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_movement) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_right) provided a stronger motivation for American politicians to pander religious conservatives by showing support for Israel and its policies of expanding in the "promised land"
          Last edited by pamak; 11 Dec 19, 17:09.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by pamak View Post

            I am one of the strongest critics of Israel and I certainly agree that this special relationship that the US has with Israel is useless. But you overstate your case and harm your position when you claim that Israel tries to assist terrorists that the US tries to defeat in the Middle East.
            It is not a claim, it is an undeniable fact. Israel itself admits to aiding terrorists on the Syrian border. Specifically al Qaeda.

            https://forums.armchairgeneral.com/f...ports-al-qaeda

            No friend of al Qaeda is a friend of mine. If RINOs want to support a country that backs our enemy then that's on them. But, they're clearly sellouts.
            "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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            • #7
              Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

              It is not a claim, it is an undeniable fact. Israel itself admits to aiding terrorists on the Syrian border. Specifically al Qaeda.

              https://forums.armchairgeneral.com/f...ports-al-qaeda

              No friend of al Qaeda is a friend of mine. If RINOs want to support a country that backs our enemy then that's on them. But, they're clearly sellouts.
              Well, one can use the same logic about the US which during the process of protecting its national interests, it supported terrorists in Afghanistan during the 1980's.
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              • #8
                Another interpretation of this EO:
                The order’s interpretation of Title VI—insofar as the law applies to Jews—is entirely in line with the Obama administration’s approach. It only deviates from past practice by suggesting that harsh criticism of Israel—specifically, the notion that it is “a racist endeavor”—may be used as evidence to prove anti-Semitic intent. There is good reason, however, to doubt that the order can actually be used to suppress non-bigoted disapproval of Israel on college campuses.
                Isn't that odd? While you may criticize an act of Israel which has nothing to do with them being jewish, the fact that you are criticizing Israel is going to be called anti-semitic behaviour.
                Well, some here already live by that standard - criticizing Israel ? You're anti-semitic by default.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by pamak View Post

                  Well, one can use the same logic about the US which during the process of protecting its national interests, it supported terrorists in Afghanistan during the 1980's.
                  Absolutely. One could argue that if not for Israel, the US and our ally SA, global terrorism would not be as bad as it currently is. I view all 3 countries as terrorist supporters. Because they are.
                  "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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                  • #10
                    Sounds like someone here is criticizing Israel while claiming it is now illegal to criticize Israel in the US. Conclusion: this is a troll thread built on hyperbole commonly associated with TDS.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Salinator View Post
                      Sounds like someone here is criticizing Israel while claiming it is now illegal to criticize Israel in the US. Conclusion: this is a troll thread built on hyperbole commonly associated with TDS.
                      The article along with my posts specifies what type of criticism is no longer allowed. Only those who lack common sense would view this as a troll thread.
                      "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                      - Benjamin Franklin

                      The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                      • #12
                        Simpler terms for those who need it.

                        Trump targets anti-Semitism, boycotts against Israel on college campuses

                        Trump's new order is set to hit the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement head-on. It invoked Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to fight anti-Semitic rhetoric on college campuses and called on federally funded agencies to adopt the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definition of anti-Semitism in cases of discrimination.
                        https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...xecutive-order
                        "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                        - Benjamin Franklin

                        The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                        • #13
                          This is like claiming that criticizing Mexico and supporting tariffs against it violates the Civil Right Act's protections which prohibit the discrimination against Chicanos' (or Mexican-Americans') nationality.



                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicano

                          Chicano, or Chicana, is a chosen identity of some Mexican Americans in the United States.[1] Chicano or Xicano are sometimes used interchangeably with Mexican-American and both names exist as chosen identities within the Mexican-American community in the United States.[2]

                          Absurd!

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                          • #14
                            There are good Zionists and bad Zionists. There are probably more Christian Zionists in the USA compared to Jewish Zionists worldwide. Similarly there are good Salafi Muslims to. Nothing wrong with one leading a conservative religious life while supporting freedom for others.

                            https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dont-...lims_b_9042496



                            Israel like a # of Muslim countries has work to, and the work can be done with the right people in power.


                            I would add anyone in the USA can criticize any country they want. Look at this thread and others. I question not the OP but the reports saying now its illegal to criticize Israel. Because all over the USA Israel and many Muslim countries are criticized everyday.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                              Simpler terms for those who need it.



                              https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...xecutive-order
                              Its a difficult issue because college campuses see both pro Israel groups and pro Palestine groups to this day. The Young Republicans have brought on Jewish bigots, the MSA have brought on Muslim bigots. But both groups the MSA and Young Republicans have good meaning members, we just have to remind them of the beauty of Christian values which have helped to shape the civil world. Honestly in all of this, whats missing in the USA is a leading Christian voice, we had that in FDR and England had that in Churchill shown perfectly in a WW2 Christmas video from the allies in 1941. The POTUS is a Christian, he has to play role in bringing together the minorities as other Presidents have. The POTUS said he was going to bring Israel and Palestine together, hopefully he can.
                              Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
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