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    ...AG Barr disagrees with the DOJ IG. Poor baby...Sometimes the truth does hurt.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

    Attorney General William P. Barr has told associates he disagrees with the Justice Department’s inspector general on one of the key findings in an upcoming report — that the FBI had enough information in July 2016 to justify launching an investigation into members of the Trump campaign, according to people familiar with the matter.

    The Justice Department’s inspector general, Michael Horowitz, is due to release his long-awaited findings in a week, but behind the scenes at the Justice Department, disagreement has surfaced about one of Horowitz’s central conclusions on the origins of the Russia investigation. The discord could be the prelude to a major fissure within federal law enforcement on the controversial question of investigating a presidential campaign.

    Barr has not been swayed by Horowitz’s rationale for concluding the FBI had sufficient basis to open an investigation on July 31, 2016, these people said.




    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

  • #2
    Well, it really doesn't matter... The principals behind much of the FBI "get Trump" nonsense like Peter Strzok and Lisa Page have been fired or resigned.

    So, yes, for the Democrats this is sour grapes. Their whole "Get Trump" campaign now going on 4 years, has been an utter failure.

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    • #3
      The bottom line is that was no 'get Trump' campaign by the FBI. That's an administration generated conspiracy theory being perpetuated by an AG that thinks he is Trump's lawyer, which he isn't.
      We are not now that strength which in old days
      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Massena View Post
        The bottom line is that was no 'get Trump' campaign by the FBI. That's an administration generated conspiracy theory being perpetuated by an AG that thinks he is Trump's lawyer, which he isn't.
        No, just the opposite!
        Trying hard to be the Man, that my Dog believes I am!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Massena View Post
          administration generated conspiracy theory
          poppycock
          Last edited by OttoHarkaman; 02 Dec 19, 22:56.

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          • #6

            Originally posted by Massena View Post
            The bottom line is that was no 'get Trump' campaign by the FBI. That's an administration generated conspiracy theory being perpetuated by an AG that thinks he is Trump's lawyer, which he isn't.
            That's a Massena-ism.
            Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Massena View Post
              The bottom line is that was no 'get Trump' campaign by the FBI. That's an administration generated conspiracy theory being perpetuated by an AG that thinks he is Trump's lawyer, which he isn't.
              Then why did agents like Strzok and Page, and idiots like Comey get fired over their handling of investigating Trump?

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              • #8
                First, Page was a lawyer, not a special agent. Mueller took Strzok off the investigation because of the emails between he and Page. Comey was fired because of the Russia investigation-Trump stated that himself in the interview with Lester Holt.

                By the way, what law or laws did either Page or Strzok break? And where is the evidence, any evidence, that either of them let their personal 'feelings' regarding Trump interfere with their duties?

                Again, this is nothing but a White House/Trump generated conspiracy theory. The DOJ Inspector General's report is due out next week so I guess we'll find out officially.
                We are not now that strength which in old days
                Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Massena View Post
                  First, Page was a lawyer, not a special agent. Mueller took Strzok off the investigation because of the emails between he and Page. Comey was fired because of the Russia investigation-Trump stated that himself in the interview with Lester Holt.

                  By the way, what law or laws did either Page or Strzok break? And where is the evidence, any evidence, that either of them let their personal 'feelings' regarding Trump interfere with their duties?

                  Again, this is nothing but a White House/Trump generated conspiracy theory. The DOJ Inspector General's report is due out next week so I guess we'll find out officially.
                  That is very funny coming from you. I’ve been asking for three years what laws Trump has broken but you have yet to say now you want us to play a game you refuse to play. Hypocrite thy name is Massena.
                  Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedy. -- Ernest Benn

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                  • #10
                    I've posted the laws Trump has broken. And you have both misrepresented what I have posted and falsely accused me of being a hypocrite. You might want to check you moral compass-apparently it's just a 'little' off bubble.

                    Defend Trump, no matter what and no matter what he has done. Just playing the usual party politics at the expense of the country as a whole.
                    We are not now that strength which in old days
                    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                      Then why did agents like Strzok and Page, and idiots like Comey get fired over their handling of investigating Trump?
                      um Comey did not get fired for investigating Trump he got fired for investigating Clinton and helping Trump get into the white house. Just saying.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Tsar View Post

                        That is very funny coming from you. I’ve been asking for three years what laws Trump has broken but you have yet to say now you want us to play a game you refuse to play. Hypocrite thy name is Massena.
                        we have answered that question over and over but you say crimes. Obstruction of justice which only a king can do. Bribery for personal benefit ie Ukraine. Enabling a foreign power to interfere in our elections. These are not low crimes which typically are codified. They are high crimes which only a king can commit and hence wishy washy.

                        For example Trump probally is fine right up to the point he specifically ask for an investigation of Biden. After that he is using a power which only the president can do for his own benefit. ie high crime.

                        As an interesting side note. yes by Trump not letting people testify before congress during the impeachment he is violating norms for impeachment which Polk set a standard for.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by craven View Post

                          um Comey did not get fired for investigating Trump he got fired for investigating Clinton and helping Trump get into the white house. Just saying.
                          Do you think Trump would have fired Comey if he had come up to the podium and said that there's sufficient evidence that Hillary committed a crime with her e-mail server use and disregard of classified information handling rules and was forwarding that to the DOJ for consideration of prosecution?
                          Do you think Trump would have fired Comey if he had immediately started firing or disciplining FBI agents who abused the FISA court rules and acted in questionable ways in regard to the Presidential election?

                          Trump fired Comey because the guy didn't do his job like he should have.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                            Do you think Trump would have fired Comey if he had come up to the podium and said that there's sufficient evidence that Hillary committed a crime with her e-mail server use and disregard of classified information handling rules and was forwarding that to the DOJ for consideration of prosecution?
                            Do you think Trump would have fired Comey if he had immediately started firing or disciplining FBI agents who abused the FISA court rules and acted in questionable ways in regard to the Presidential election?

                            Trump fired Comey because the guy didn't do his job like he should have.
                            yep Trump would of.

                            btw polling at the time shows that when Comey reopened the investigation things started to go Trumps way. btw we are only need to move the bar by less than 100k votes.

                            Overall I don't think the Fisa stuff really maters it normal govt cover up stuff. When given a fine tooth comb they will find mistakes were made afterwards no matter what.. (armchair qbing is easy)

                            btw as a govt employee you should know the insurance policy was them cya ing. For example lets suppose they did not look into the Huma laptop and that comes out after Trump loses what would be the Republican response.

                            For all those guys who you think were out to get Trump take a step back and assume they weren't. What options did they have.
                            I have repeatedly said Comey had bad choice A and bad Choice B. You have Russian assest talking to Trump inner circle guys do you invesitigate yes or not.

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                            • #15
                              Who cares anymore? Democrats are trying to influence the next election with the aid of the press and millions of trolls.
                              Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                              Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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