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  • TactiKill J.
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

    What does that have to do with how many racists there are running around?
    Because it tells you how many racist people are running around, and by party.

    We don't have to get into the 'it's not racist to hold racist beliefs', argument again though.

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
    Here are some actual numbers on the subject https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...it-a-new-high/
    What does that have to do with how many racists there are running around?

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  • TactiKill J.
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    Here are some actual numbers on the subject https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...it-a-new-high/

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

    "He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it."

    I wonder what could be more important than treating other humans like humans. But, that's been the conundrum in this country since its founding. The moment we can get whites to care more about their fellow man than the almighty dollar will be the moment racism no longer exists. I know that isn't PC, but there's no point in having difficult discussions if we can't be forthright.

    The end result is the same, regardless of reasoning. A vote for Bernie is a vote for socialism. A vote for a neo nazi is a vote for racism.
    Doesn't change that it is guilt by association. A vote for Sanders doesn't mean you approve of Socialism necessarily. A vote for a neo-Nazi doesn't necessarily mean you agree with racism. The reasoning can be far more complex than that. That I voted for Trump last time doesn't mean I approve of Trump necessarily. In my case, I went for the lessor of two evils seeing that either he or Hillary would be elected, and that Hillary was a far, far, worse choice.

    How can I know if that's more or less if you're not presenting the numbers for the other side?
    This is a start at seeing just how pervasive racism is on the Left.

    https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/...nd-canada-msa/

    https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/...-la-raza-nclr/

    https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/...nos-de-aztlan/





    I could go on and on with this, but it's pointless. You aren't going to buy anything I have to say.

    The Left is chock-a-block with haters, bigots, racists, and anti-Semites and they number in the tens, and probably hundreds of thousands nationwide. These aren't sympathizers or people who sometimes agree with them. They are real thing, through and through.



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  • TactiKill J.
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

    You have yet to prove that's why those people voted for the guy. If their motivation was something else and they simply ignored the racism because other issues were more important, then that voter isn't a racist or a supporter of racism any more than someone who votes for say Bernie Sanders because they like a particular part of his platform or despise his opponent makes them a Socialist.
    "He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it."

    I wonder what could be more important than treating other humans like humans. But, that's been the conundrum in this country since its founding. The moment we can get whites to care more about their fellow man than the almighty dollar will be the moment racism no longer exists. I know that isn't PC, but there's no point in having difficult discussions if we can't be forthright.

    The end result is the same, regardless of reasoning. A vote for Bernie is a vote for socialism. A vote for a neo nazi is a vote for racism.

    I already showed you that. You simply don't want to accept the truth. The aforementioned MSA has 400 chapters nationwide affiliated with a national program. There are roughly another 600 local unaffiliated chapters. These are at most universities and colleges now. They are openly anti-Semitic, hostile to all other religions, and often racist against various other groups as well. Yet, they are openly and freely allowed to operate on those campuses.
    By your theory, that makes millions of college students and hundreds of thousands of university employees racists, anti-Semites, and basically haters.
    How can I know if that's more or less if you're not presenting the numbers for the other side?

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  • Cambronnne
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    Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

    You refuse to accept the fact that the voters are part of the republican party. The racists outnumber you, period.


    Clearly it is my problem.

    Of course, if the racists outnumber me, one would expect some actual racist laws or policies.
    Except there aren't any. (As was my original and unrebutted point)

    You've proven that the best proof of racism is the public rejection of racists and the complete absence of racist laws or policies.
    Those damn, sneaky republicans.

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

    Not worth arguing over, but that would be discrimination, not racism.

    Either way, you only presented one side of the equation, which obviously isn't statistical evidence.

    Your 25k antifa members nationwide still pales in comparison to the 56k nazi supporters in a single district.
    You have yet to prove that's why those people voted for the guy. If their motivation was something else and they simply ignored the racism because other issues were more important, then that voter isn't a racist or a supporter of racism any more than someone who votes for say Bernie Sanders because they like a particular part of his platform or despise his opponent makes them a Socialist.

    So let's see the numbers that proves there are more racists on the left.
    I already showed you that. You simply don't want to accept the truth. The aforementioned MSA has 400 chapters nationwide affiliated with a national program. There are roughly another 600 local unaffiliated chapters. These are at most universities and colleges now. They are openly anti-Semitic, hostile to all other religions, and often racist against various other groups as well. Yet, they are openly and freely allowed to operate on those campuses.
    By your theory, that makes millions of college students and hundreds of thousands of university employees racists, anti-Semites, and basically haters.



    The Left is rife with actual racists, haters, anti-Semites, and associated other bigots. I don't need to inflate their numbers because they happen to operating on a university campus or whatnot. The actual chapters of their organizations, often nationwide and numerous, and the members thereof far outnumber the racist crazies on the radical Right.

    A good example of this is when some radical Right group holds a protest, the radical Left can just about be guaranteed to show up with anything upwards of ten times plus the radical Right's numbers in an attempt to shut them down.
    Last edited by T. A. Gardner; 06 Dec 19, 18:34.

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  • TactiKill J.
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post


    Antifa has chapters coast to coast but the numbers of members vary wildly. There could be anywhere between 5,000 and 25,000 active members, not including wantabes and casual associates. But, they are far better organized than groups on the far Right.

    https://itsgoingdown.org/forming-an-...roup-a-manual/

    And, yes, Antifa is racist. They often charge White members a fee to be given to minority members as "reparations" for past acts of racism on their ancestors. That's a form of reverse racism.
    Not worth arguing over, but that would be discrimination, not racism.

    Either way, you only presented one side of the equation, which obviously isn't statistical evidence.

    Your 25k antifa members nationwide still pales in comparison to the 56k nazi supporters in a single district.

    So let's see the numbers that proves there are more racists on the left.

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Antifa has chapters coast to coast but the numbers of members vary wildly. There could be anywhere between 5,000 and 25,000 active members, not including wantabes and casual associates. But, they are far better organized than groups on the far Right.

    https://itsgoingdown.org/forming-an-...roup-a-manual/

    And, yes, Antifa is racist. They often charge White members a fee to be given to minority members as "reparations" for past acts of racism on their ancestors. That's a form of reverse racism.

    MECHA and La Raza have chapters on most larger university campuses.

    The (Muslim Student's Association) MSA has upwards of 1000 + members nationwide on university campuses.



    Feel free to peruse the various radical Leftist, Racist, hater groups yourself too:

    https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/

    That site is the equivalent of the SPLC, only far less libel to end up sued as they don't lie and make up stuff like the SPLC does, for Leftist groups.

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  • TactiKill J.
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

    Which part of what I put forward is a "conspiracy theory?" The Left isn't "fighting fire with fire." The Left harbors plenty of racists, bigots, and other forms of haters, and always has. And, the Leftist haters and bigots far out number the ones on the Right.
    Show the stats to prove it then.

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

    Not going to debate conspiracy theories here. But, there's no doubt that there are those on the left who have decided to fight fire with fire. They're still vastly outnumbered when compared to the amount of racists on the right.
    Which part of what I put forward is a "conspiracy theory?" The Left isn't "fighting fire with fire." The Left harbors plenty of racists, bigots, and other forms of haters, and always has. And, the Leftist haters and bigots far out number the ones on the Right. The primary reason is everybody despises the ones on the Right, while the Left celebrates their haters.

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=56f_1378674998

    This is a Veteran's Day parade in Tucson in 2010. The Brown Berets march in it (like they have any connection there).



    Do you think for a nanosecond that a bunch of neo-nazis could have marched in that parade? I know they'd be told NO!, but a bunch of Leftist racist haters had no problem doing it.

    That's just one group. There's plenty more where that came from. The Left is rife with bigots, racists, haters, and the like. But, they embrace theirs while nobody likes those on the Radical Right.



    Or their ignorant bigotry here protesting Illegal Pete's, a restaurant in Tucson named after the owner's father and having nothing to do with immigration:



    There's plenty of hate to go around on the radical Left.

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  • TactiKill J.
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

    Then let's add some obviously Leftist or Progressive groups that clearly are racist or sexist, etc: New Black Panthers, La Raza, MECHA, the Brown Berets, Deep Green Resistance, Code Pink, New Wave Army / Art Profs of America, Nightshade, Radicalwomen.org, Women's Liberation Front, Stand up, Fight back, Ultraviolet, Black Liberation Army, Indigenous Action, to name a few. There are plenty of haters on the Left, and they all align to one degree or another with the Democrats.



    Terrorist attacks are hardly a valid measure of racism on their own. Racism is far more invidious and evil when institutionalized as it now has become by the Left in schools and universities.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...dren-race.html

    https://nypost.com/2016/07/01/elite-...e-born-racist/

    https://www.denverpost.com/2018/04/1...ublic-schools/

    https://www.nais.org/magazine/indepe...ndent-schools/

    https://tennesseestar.com/2019/08/03...lege-training/



    Thomas Perez, head of the DNC, certainly is racist against Whites. He advocates for Disparate Impact Theory and is a leading proponent. Remember the "Knock Out Game?" Perez's only indictment in that phenomena was to arrest a singular White in Houston TX who was mentally ill and copied the numerous Blacks videoed attacking Whites, Hispanics, and other non-Blacks trying to knock them out in one punch. Didn't arrest one Black in that.



    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...ng-rights-act/

    You have Keith Ellison who was head of the DNC for a while. He's a racist bigot through and through.

    When the heads of a political party are openly racist, but apparently the "right" kind of racists, it's perfectly fine with Progressives and the Left. They ignore that racism and only point out what they see as the "wrong" sort of racism.



    Yes, today racism is being taught, and mostly by radical Leftists to students in schools and colleges, often forced on those students who are told either they learn and agree with that racism or they will be failed and tossed out of school.
    Not going to debate conspiracy theories here. But, there's no doubt that there are those on the left who have decided to fight fire with fire. They're still vastly outnumbered when compared to the amount of racists on the right.

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  • TactiKill J.
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    Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post


    So, there were 56,000 people, who voted for the racist who ran as a republican.
    He was explicitly rejected by the GOP which even went so far as to endorse the dem running against him.
    Now tell me what part of that is evidence of the GOP's racism?

    It could well prove that there are 56,000 racists in that district, but says nothing about the party you are trying to condemn.
    Sorry, nothing.
    Did the GOP support him?
    Endorse him?
    Speak well of him?

    No, they behaved exactly as you would want. They condemned and rejected him even though it hurt their own interests.
    Now lets compare that to how the dems treat BLM.
    Or Louis Farrakhan, or Al sharpton.
    You refuse to accept the fact that the voters are part of the republican party. The racists outnumber you, period.

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

    How is 56,000 republicans in a district voting for a white supremacist not relevant to whether or not the republican party is for white supremacists? Wouldn't voting for a white supremacist be the biggest tell?
    Was that the only issue in the election? Or, was it secondary to some other issue(s)?

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  • Cambronnne
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    Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

    How is 56,000 republicans in a district voting for a white supremacist not relevant to whether or not the republican party is for white supremacists? Wouldn't voting for a white supremacist be the biggest tell?

    So, there were 56,000 people, who voted for the racist who ran as a republican.
    He was explicitly rejected by the GOP which even went so far as to endorse the dem running against him.
    Now tell me what part of that is evidence of the GOP's racism?

    It could well prove that there are 56,000 racists in that district, but says nothing about the party you are trying to condemn.
    Sorry, nothing.
    Did the GOP support him?
    Endorse him?
    Speak well of him?

    No, they behaved exactly as you would want. They condemned and rejected him even though it hurt their own interests.
    Now lets compare that to how the dems treat BLM.
    Or Louis Farrakhan, or Al sharpton.

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