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  • #61
    Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post
    You argued that the racist from Illinois was evidence of the GOP's racism and ignored the fact that the GOP urged people to vote for the democrat rather than the guy they had nothing to do with.
    If you are going to use him as an example of the GOP's racism, you can't ignore the fact they openly rejected him.
    I didn't ignore it and I took it into consideration. Simple math says that more republicans supported the neo nazi than those who didn't.

    As for BLM, I could provide more evidence if I did a search, but I will admit that my opinion of BLM's racism was probably born when they disrupted Bernie Sanders in a campaign appearance and demanded he say "Black Lives Matter". Bernie said "All lives matter" and that offended them and was unacceptable.
    Bernie was right, BLM was wrong.
    In your opinion. But the semantics of BLM has already been discussed.

    You said there were numerous mass attacks by white conservatives. You still haven't indetified what you are talking about.
    I have in several threads in the past. We're all aware of what's been happening.


    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
    - Benjamin Franklin

    The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

      I didn't ignore it and I took it into consideration. Simple math says that more republicans supported the neo nazi than those who didn't.



      In your opinion. But the semantics of BLM has already been discussed.



      I have in several threads in the past. We're all aware of what's been happening.


      I am certain that there are republican voters who are racist. The same is true for every party.
      The discussion was about the GOP's racism as demonstrated by actual acts or policies. My posts have been in response to the original claim (not by you) that the GOP is a "white supremacist party". A such the feelings of individual voters doesn't disprove my point, nor is it relevant.

      Saying "everybody knows", is neither a factual nor logical argument in support of your position.
      Last edited by Cambronnne; 06 Dec 19, 14:59.
      Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

      Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

        The fact that BLM is labeled as racist says it all. Throughout American history the activists trying to curtail racism has always been labeled as the bad guys by a certain group.
        Then let's add some obviously Leftist or Progressive groups that clearly are racist or sexist, etc: New Black Panthers, La Raza, MECHA, the Brown Berets, Deep Green Resistance, Code Pink, New Wave Army / Art Profs of America, Nightshade, Radicalwomen.org, Women's Liberation Front, Stand up, Fight back, Ultraviolet, Black Liberation Army, Indigenous Action, to name a few. There are plenty of haters on the Left, and they all align to one degree or another with the Democrats.

        The numerous terrorist attacks targeting blacks and Hispanics. Counting the ones that actually happened and the ones stopped by the FBI. If it wasn't for the work of the FBI, stopping so many plots, we'd be in a full-on race war right now as a direct result of the people on your side.
        Terrorist attacks are hardly a valid measure of racism on their own. Racism is far more invidious and evil when institutionalized as it now has become by the Left in schools and universities.

        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...dren-race.html

        https://nypost.com/2016/07/01/elite-...e-born-racist/

        https://www.denverpost.com/2018/04/1...ublic-schools/

        https://www.nais.org/magazine/indepe...ndent-schools/

        https://tennesseestar.com/2019/08/03...lege-training/

        Bad assumption, look at your context clues. You claimed democrats are racist against white men. An accusation that doesn't hold up due to the amount of white men in the party. So to the contrary, I'm saying that they're not racist. Generally speaking.
        Thomas Perez, head of the DNC, certainly is racist against Whites. He advocates for Disparate Impact Theory and is a leading proponent. Remember the "Knock Out Game?" Perez's only indictment in that phenomena was to arrest a singular White in Houston TX who was mentally ill and copied the numerous Blacks videoed attacking Whites, Hispanics, and other non-Blacks trying to knock them out in one punch. Didn't arrest one Black in that.



        https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...ng-rights-act/

        You have Keith Ellison who was head of the DNC for a while. He's a racist bigot through and through.

        When the heads of a political party are openly racist, but apparently the "right" kind of racists, it's perfectly fine with Progressives and the Left. They ignore that racism and only point out what they see as the "wrong" sort of racism.

        Most likely, racism is more taught than it is inherent. Living in a country that honors and celebrates slave owners, might be part of the reason why racism is still an issue and taught trait.
        Yes, today racism is being taught, and mostly by radical Leftists to students in schools and colleges, often forced on those students who are told either they learn and agree with that racism or they will be failed and tossed out of school.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post


          I am certain that there are republican voters who are racist. The same is true for every party.
          The discussion was about the GOP's racism as demonstrated by actual acts or policies. My posts have been in response to the original claim (not by you) that the GOP is a "white supremacist party". A such the feelings of individual voters doesn't disprove my point, nor is it relevant.

          Saying "everybody knows", is neither a factual nor logical argument in support of your position.
          How is 56,000 republicans in a district voting for a white supremacist not relevant to whether or not the republican party is for white supremacists? Wouldn't voting for a white supremacist be the biggest tell?
          "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
          - Benjamin Franklin

          The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

            How is 56,000 republicans in a district voting for a white supremacist not relevant to whether or not the republican party is for white supremacists? Wouldn't voting for a white supremacist be the biggest tell?

            So, there were 56,000 people, who voted for the racist who ran as a republican.
            He was explicitly rejected by the GOP which even went so far as to endorse the dem running against him.
            Now tell me what part of that is evidence of the GOP's racism?

            It could well prove that there are 56,000 racists in that district, but says nothing about the party you are trying to condemn.
            Sorry, nothing.
            Did the GOP support him?
            Endorse him?
            Speak well of him?

            No, they behaved exactly as you would want. They condemned and rejected him even though it hurt their own interests.
            Now lets compare that to how the dems treat BLM.
            Or Louis Farrakhan, or Al sharpton.
            Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

            Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

              How is 56,000 republicans in a district voting for a white supremacist not relevant to whether or not the republican party is for white supremacists? Wouldn't voting for a white supremacist be the biggest tell?
              Was that the only issue in the election? Or, was it secondary to some other issue(s)?

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post


                So, there were 56,000 people, who voted for the racist who ran as a republican.
                He was explicitly rejected by the GOP which even went so far as to endorse the dem running against him.
                Now tell me what part of that is evidence of the GOP's racism?

                It could well prove that there are 56,000 racists in that district, but says nothing about the party you are trying to condemn.
                Sorry, nothing.
                Did the GOP support him?
                Endorse him?
                Speak well of him?

                No, they behaved exactly as you would want. They condemned and rejected him even though it hurt their own interests.
                Now lets compare that to how the dems treat BLM.
                Or Louis Farrakhan, or Al sharpton.
                You refuse to accept the fact that the voters are part of the republican party. The racists outnumber you, period.
                "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                - Benjamin Franklin

                The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                  Then let's add some obviously Leftist or Progressive groups that clearly are racist or sexist, etc: New Black Panthers, La Raza, MECHA, the Brown Berets, Deep Green Resistance, Code Pink, New Wave Army / Art Profs of America, Nightshade, Radicalwomen.org, Women's Liberation Front, Stand up, Fight back, Ultraviolet, Black Liberation Army, Indigenous Action, to name a few. There are plenty of haters on the Left, and they all align to one degree or another with the Democrats.



                  Terrorist attacks are hardly a valid measure of racism on their own. Racism is far more invidious and evil when institutionalized as it now has become by the Left in schools and universities.

                  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...dren-race.html

                  https://nypost.com/2016/07/01/elite-...e-born-racist/

                  https://www.denverpost.com/2018/04/1...ublic-schools/

                  https://www.nais.org/magazine/indepe...ndent-schools/

                  https://tennesseestar.com/2019/08/03...lege-training/



                  Thomas Perez, head of the DNC, certainly is racist against Whites. He advocates for Disparate Impact Theory and is a leading proponent. Remember the "Knock Out Game?" Perez's only indictment in that phenomena was to arrest a singular White in Houston TX who was mentally ill and copied the numerous Blacks videoed attacking Whites, Hispanics, and other non-Blacks trying to knock them out in one punch. Didn't arrest one Black in that.



                  https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...ng-rights-act/

                  You have Keith Ellison who was head of the DNC for a while. He's a racist bigot through and through.

                  When the heads of a political party are openly racist, but apparently the "right" kind of racists, it's perfectly fine with Progressives and the Left. They ignore that racism and only point out what they see as the "wrong" sort of racism.



                  Yes, today racism is being taught, and mostly by radical Leftists to students in schools and colleges, often forced on those students who are told either they learn and agree with that racism or they will be failed and tossed out of school.
                  Not going to debate conspiracy theories here. But, there's no doubt that there are those on the left who have decided to fight fire with fire. They're still vastly outnumbered when compared to the amount of racists on the right.
                  "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                  - Benjamin Franklin

                  The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

                    Not going to debate conspiracy theories here. But, there's no doubt that there are those on the left who have decided to fight fire with fire. They're still vastly outnumbered when compared to the amount of racists on the right.
                    Which part of what I put forward is a "conspiracy theory?" The Left isn't "fighting fire with fire." The Left harbors plenty of racists, bigots, and other forms of haters, and always has. And, the Leftist haters and bigots far out number the ones on the Right. The primary reason is everybody despises the ones on the Right, while the Left celebrates their haters.

                    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=56f_1378674998

                    This is a Veteran's Day parade in Tucson in 2010. The Brown Berets march in it (like they have any connection there).



                    Do you think for a nanosecond that a bunch of neo-nazis could have marched in that parade? I know they'd be told NO!, but a bunch of Leftist racist haters had no problem doing it.

                    That's just one group. There's plenty more where that came from. The Left is rife with bigots, racists, haters, and the like. But, they embrace theirs while nobody likes those on the Radical Right.



                    Or their ignorant bigotry here protesting Illegal Pete's, a restaurant in Tucson named after the owner's father and having nothing to do with immigration:



                    There's plenty of hate to go around on the radical Left.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                      Which part of what I put forward is a "conspiracy theory?" The Left isn't "fighting fire with fire." The Left harbors plenty of racists, bigots, and other forms of haters, and always has. And, the Leftist haters and bigots far out number the ones on the Right.
                      Show the stats to prove it then.
                      "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                      - Benjamin Franklin

                      The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                      • #71


                        Antifa has chapters coast to coast but the numbers of members vary wildly. There could be anywhere between 5,000 and 25,000 active members, not including wantabes and casual associates. But, they are far better organized than groups on the far Right.

                        https://itsgoingdown.org/forming-an-...roup-a-manual/

                        And, yes, Antifa is racist. They often charge White members a fee to be given to minority members as "reparations" for past acts of racism on their ancestors. That's a form of reverse racism.

                        MECHA and La Raza have chapters on most larger university campuses.

                        The (Muslim Student's Association) MSA has upwards of 1000 + members nationwide on university campuses.



                        Feel free to peruse the various radical Leftist, Racist, hater groups yourself too:

                        https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/

                        That site is the equivalent of the SPLC, only far less libel to end up sued as they don't lie and make up stuff like the SPLC does, for Leftist groups.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post


                          Antifa has chapters coast to coast but the numbers of members vary wildly. There could be anywhere between 5,000 and 25,000 active members, not including wantabes and casual associates. But, they are far better organized than groups on the far Right.

                          https://itsgoingdown.org/forming-an-...roup-a-manual/

                          And, yes, Antifa is racist. They often charge White members a fee to be given to minority members as "reparations" for past acts of racism on their ancestors. That's a form of reverse racism.
                          Not worth arguing over, but that would be discrimination, not racism.

                          Either way, you only presented one side of the equation, which obviously isn't statistical evidence.

                          Your 25k antifa members nationwide still pales in comparison to the 56k nazi supporters in a single district.

                          So let's see the numbers that proves there are more racists on the left.
                          "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                          - Benjamin Franklin

                          The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

                            Not worth arguing over, but that would be discrimination, not racism.

                            Either way, you only presented one side of the equation, which obviously isn't statistical evidence.

                            Your 25k antifa members nationwide still pales in comparison to the 56k nazi supporters in a single district.
                            You have yet to prove that's why those people voted for the guy. If their motivation was something else and they simply ignored the racism because other issues were more important, then that voter isn't a racist or a supporter of racism any more than someone who votes for say Bernie Sanders because they like a particular part of his platform or despise his opponent makes them a Socialist.

                            So let's see the numbers that proves there are more racists on the left.
                            I already showed you that. You simply don't want to accept the truth. The aforementioned MSA has 400 chapters nationwide affiliated with a national program. There are roughly another 600 local unaffiliated chapters. These are at most universities and colleges now. They are openly anti-Semitic, hostile to all other religions, and often racist against various other groups as well. Yet, they are openly and freely allowed to operate on those campuses.
                            By your theory, that makes millions of college students and hundreds of thousands of university employees racists, anti-Semites, and basically haters.



                            The Left is rife with actual racists, haters, anti-Semites, and associated other bigots. I don't need to inflate their numbers because they happen to operating on a university campus or whatnot. The actual chapters of their organizations, often nationwide and numerous, and the members thereof far outnumber the racist crazies on the radical Right.

                            A good example of this is when some radical Right group holds a protest, the radical Left can just about be guaranteed to show up with anything upwards of ten times plus the radical Right's numbers in an attempt to shut them down.
                            Last edited by T. A. Gardner; 06 Dec 19, 18:34.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

                              You refuse to accept the fact that the voters are part of the republican party. The racists outnumber you, period.


                              Clearly it is my problem.

                              Of course, if the racists outnumber me, one would expect some actual racist laws or policies.
                              Except there aren't any. (As was my original and unrebutted point)

                              You've proven that the best proof of racism is the public rejection of racists and the complete absence of racist laws or policies.
                              Those damn, sneaky republicans.
                              Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

                              Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                                You have yet to prove that's why those people voted for the guy. If their motivation was something else and they simply ignored the racism because other issues were more important, then that voter isn't a racist or a supporter of racism any more than someone who votes for say Bernie Sanders because they like a particular part of his platform or despise his opponent makes them a Socialist.
                                "He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it."

                                I wonder what could be more important than treating other humans like humans. But, that's been the conundrum in this country since its founding. The moment we can get whites to care more about their fellow man than the almighty dollar will be the moment racism no longer exists. I know that isn't PC, but there's no point in having difficult discussions if we can't be forthright.

                                The end result is the same, regardless of reasoning. A vote for Bernie is a vote for socialism. A vote for a neo nazi is a vote for racism.

                                I already showed you that. You simply don't want to accept the truth. The aforementioned MSA has 400 chapters nationwide affiliated with a national program. There are roughly another 600 local unaffiliated chapters. These are at most universities and colleges now. They are openly anti-Semitic, hostile to all other religions, and often racist against various other groups as well. Yet, they are openly and freely allowed to operate on those campuses.
                                By your theory, that makes millions of college students and hundreds of thousands of university employees racists, anti-Semites, and basically haters.
                                How can I know if that's more or less if you're not presenting the numbers for the other side?
                                "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                                - Benjamin Franklin

                                The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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