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  • #16
    Originally posted by Massena View Post
    And then there is this:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

    On Wednesday, after diplomat
    Gordon Sondland testified
    there was a quid pro quo with Ukraine, two government officials, the Defense Department’s
    Laura Cooper
    and the State Department’s
    David Hale
    , took the stand to talk about how they learned U.S. military aid to Ukraine had been put on hold.
    There is no reason to believe any word from Hale . He has no proof for his accusations .Only the word of an unknown person claiming to be a member of the OMB

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Massena View Post

      You don't know what either Hill or Holmes are going to say today as they have not yet testified.
      They have already testified , or leaked to the WAPO what they will say .
      And if you don't know what they will say, why are you mentioning their names ?

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      • #18
        https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/21/polit...day/index.html

        Gordon Sondland wrote his name in history and triggered a turning point in the House impeachment inquiry with stunning testimony implicating the President in an abuse of power.


        In effect, one of President Donald Trump's political appointees confirmed the core allegation of the entire scandal: that he conditioned aid and recognition for Ukraine on personal favors that could help him in his 2020 reelection campaign.

        This was no "Never Trumper" bureaucrat perpetrating what some of the President's conservative backers have called a coup. He was a glad-handing businessman who paid $1 million to Trump's inaugural committee and ended up with a plum job.

        Sondland destroyed once and for all the earliest presidential talking point that there was no quid pro quo with Ukraine. He explicitly said the prospect of a White House visit for Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was conditional on Ukraine announcing an investigation against Trump's possible 2020 rival Joe Biden.


        "I know that members of this committee frequently frame these complicated issues in the form of a simple question: was there a quid pro quo?" Sondland said.
        "As I testified previously ... the answer is yes."
        And Sondland broadened the scope of the conspiracy -- testifying that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Energy Secretary Rick Perry, Vice President Mike Pence and acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney all knew what was going on.
        "Everyone was in the loop," said Sondland.
        Testimony by Sondland -- the most anticipated impeachment witness so far -- came on the penultimate day of the currently scheduled televised hearings that built a new wall of facts against the President and will wrap up on Thursday with testimony from witnesses including former White House adviser on Russia, Fiona Hill.

        On the face of it, this was a disastrous day for Trump.
        We are not now that strength which in old days
        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by American87 View Post
          The "bombshell" witness in the impeachment inquriy revealed today that Trump wanted no quid pro quo. His quotation of Trump was, "I want nothing. I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo." This should end an already stale investigation, but apparently the Democrats are drawing up impeachment articles. They will need Republican in the Senate to convict, but that's doubtful. Independents are already turning on the Democrats: their oppostion to impeachment has risen 10 points amid the last seven days of testimony.
          Guess again:

          https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/20/polit...iry/index.html

          After devastating testimony from one of his own ambassadors, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is now ensnared at the center of the impeachment probe he has denounced as "Washington noise."


          Gordon Sondland, who was appointed by President Donald Trump to be US ambassador to the European Union, testified Wednesday that he had kept Pompeo "in the loop" about "activities" connected to the effort to get Ukraine to announce an investigation into Trump's main political rival.

          Sondland's testimony directly tied Pompeo to the pressure campaign being carried out in Ukraine -- a campaign to which the secretary of state has largely avoided being publicly tied.

          The revelations come at a sensitive time for Pompeo amid speculation he may be eyeing a run for the Senate from Kansas next year.


          https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/20/polit...y-4/index.html

          US Ambassador
          Gordon Sondland
          testified Wednesday there was a quid pro quo for Ukraine to announce investigations into President Donald Trump's political opponents that came from the President's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani at the "express direction of the President."
          We are not now that strength which in old days
          Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
          Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
          To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by American87 View Post
            The "bombshell" witness in the impeachment inquriy revealed today that Trump wanted no quid pro quo. His quotation of Trump was, "I want nothing. I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo." This should end an already stale investigation, but apparently the Democrats are drawing up impeachment articles. They will need Republican in the Senate to convict, but that's doubtful. Independents are already turning on the Democrats: their oppostion to impeachment has risen 10 points amid the last seven days of testimony.
            To be fair, I doubt Trump understands what a QPQ is.

            Here's an example of what Trump did but with a Mob boss in his place.
            "I want you to do me a favor about this John Smith guy, heard terrible things, very problematic. Do what you can, but I want "no murder.""

            Murder happens, Trump didn't ask for murder, read the call! He said "no murder."

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            • #21
              Originally posted by inevtiab1e View Post
              To be fair, I doubt Trump understands what a QPQ is.

              Here's an example of what Trump did but with a Mob boss in his place.
              "I want you to do me a favor about this John Smith guy, heard terrible things, very problematic. Do what you can, but I want "no murder.""

              Murder happens, Trump didn't ask for murder, read the call! He said "no murder."
              Donald (THE) is a dealmaker- one can grant him that. However;
              Ukraine IS the land of hopeless dreams. After the collapse of the Kievan states in the 14th century, the country has been under 'foreign orders' for centuries, with brief intervals of chaotic self rule.

              \bribery is a way of life there.....
              The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Massena View Post
                https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/21/polit...day/index.html

                Gordon Sondland wrote his name in history and triggered a turning point in the House impeachment inquiry with stunning testimony implicating the President in an abuse of power.
                On the face of it, this was a disastrous day for Trump.



                Not stunning and a good day for the Prez.

                Presumptions don't count for anything. 'Bombshell' bombs.

                Sondland’s ‘bombshell’ turns out to be merely his ‘presumption’

                https://nypost.com/2019/11/20/sondla...s-presumption/
                Last edited by BorderRuffian; 21 Nov 19, 09:57.
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                "Any story sounds true until someone tells the other side and sets the record straight." -Proverbs 18:17

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by American87 View Post
                  The "bombshell" witness in the impeachment inquriy revealed today that Trump wanted no quid pro quo. His quotation of Trump was, "I want nothing. I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo." This should end an already stale investigation, but apparently the Democrats are drawing up impeachment articles. They will need Republican in the Senate to convict, but that's doubtful. Independents are already turning on the Democrats: their oppostion to impeachment has risen 10 points amid the last seven days of testimony.
                  really trump said no quid pro qoa in a conversation. That did not happen more than likely because barring someone telling him that word it not something he going to say normally.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Massena View Post
                    Sondland destroyed once and for all the earliest presidential talking point that there was no quid pro quo with Ukraine. He explicitly said the prospect of a White House visit for Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was conditional on Ukraine announcing an investigation against Trump's possible 2020 rival Joe Biden.
                    You really need to apply critical thinking when using CNN as a source.

                    "No one on this planet.............."

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HaI0fVyFYg

                    "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by American87 View Post
                      The "bombshell" witness in the impeachment inquriy revealed today that Trump wanted no quid pro quo. His quotation of Trump was, "I want nothing. I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo." This should end an already stale investigation, but apparently the Democrats are drawing up impeachment articles. They will need Republican in the Senate to convict, but that's doubtful. Independents are already turning on the Democrats: their oppostion to impeachment has risen 10 points amid the last seven days of testimony.
                      History is full of such denials. The naivity….

                      I'm quite sure Trump (or any other head of state, because the name doesn't matter one yota) will officially know nothing about spying as well. Yet I'm quite sure there's a lot of clandestine intelligence gathering by US citizens going on.

                      The same by someone else who claims a testimony under oath MUST have been the truth, as it was under oath. Yeah. Right.
                      "For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return"

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Nichols View Post

                        You really need to apply critical thinking..
                        You first...

                        We are not now that strength which in old days
                        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                        • #27
                          You have to step back to see how crazy the impeachment craze is.

                          Half the country has been transformed into what can only be described by allegory as a pink haired zombie screaming at the sky.

                          It's not just the premise that the president bribed the Ukrainians to dig up dirt on a political opponent that has no chance of winning a general election that is insane. The insanity runs much deeper. It's the insanity itself, the delusion and utter lack of self awareness that we should be contemplating.

                          For better or worse we have a two party government. If one of those parties is no longer viable The system will implode. In this case it is the implosion of the Democratic party that resulted from a presidency based on identity politics. Identity politics that could never have been made to work for subsequent candidates because the well was drained. It was insane to ever believe that those politics would not fracture a party.

                          A look at the Democratic candidates for the presidency is a case study in how fractures lead to delusions, delusions to desperation and desperation to imprudent decisions. Imprudent decisions like trying to use the impeachment process as a political tool.

                          Looking at the Democratic Party we have plenty of evidence of delusional thinking. When a populace spokesperson for the party seriously proposed the end of air travel and the construction of a train across the Atlantic ocean the cracks in the parties sanity began to show. But the real insanity is evidenced by the selection of presidential candidates.

                          We have one candidate who is obviously senile but is the front runner. Next in line we have a sociopathic liar who claimed minority status to gain career advantages. We have a gay Christian that alienated gays and Christians with little experience political or otherwise. We one candidate that eats dirt and another with fantasies of being Spartacus. We have a two time loser waiting in the wings who's primary appeal is being female despite having pushed her misogynist husband past numerous scandals. I could go on but you get the point. From a dispassionate perspective it looks like a bad sitcom.


                          We hunt the hunters

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Jutland View Post

                            Indeed, they have sunk Trumps battleship.
                            No, but they blew the bottom right out of their own dinghy. After all that has happened since the election of Obama, followed by three more years of increasing Democratic insanity, no one believes the Democrats about anything anymore except for those who are hopelessly, delusionally insane.

                            The National Socialist Democratic Party. That is your legacy. That is all that you have to show us.
                            Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                            • #29
                              Here's a question that the Democrats need to answer. When the Clintons took money from China, why didn't the Democrats immediately impeach him?

                              When Hilary violated the National Security Act hundreds of times, why didn't the Democrats seek immediate action?

                              When Obama dressed up in his Muslim party clothes and went bowing and scraping to foreign governments, why didn't the Democrats immediately impeach him? Especially after he gave a huge amount of money to Iran, a terrorist nation with a nuclear program?

                              When the Democrats openly broke the law by refusing to follow the legal impeachment processes, why did they think they were immune from the laws of the land?

                              Obviously, the Democrats only have a problem with Trump, not with any existing laws.

                              Even if the Democrats win, they will lose everything. I think Americans will unite against a common enemy - the Democrats, and I'm starting to think it will be very good thing when we do, and we can then begin the process of ruthlessly rooting out the criminals in our government, most of whom are Democrats.
                              We ought even be able to create a new national holiday which we can name after the television series: We can celebrate The Purge.
                              Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Rutger View Post

                                History is full of such denials. The naivity….

                                I'm quite sure Trump (or any other head of state, because the name doesn't matter one yota) will officially know nothing about spying as well. Yet I'm quite sure there's a lot of clandestine intelligence gathering by US citizens going on.

                                The same by someone else who claims a testimony under oath MUST have been the truth, as it was under oath. Yeah. Right.
                                Unfortunately, no one on the Trump side wants to admit that the POTUS, attempting to 'mirror' his deal clients, ended up playing a bad hand.

                                OTOH, rather nice to see all the elephant boyz who spent years in this forum speculating that Michelle
                                Obama was actually a man, the Obama kids were 'props', etc., now squealing about 'the President's image.'

                                The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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