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  • Democrats are looking for a pretext to impeach Trump

    What the Democrats really want is to get Trump out of office before the election. The House can impeach the president at any time, but Republicans in the Senate will block them. That's why they need to turn public opinion in their favor: to put enough pressure on Republicans in the polls to convict Trump. That's why Schiff is holding these investigations, even though it all started with a rumor, and even though Trump proved himself not guilty in the transcript. It's a witch hunt, covered by the media, designed to turn public opinion against Trump and Republicans. It's also partly a cover for Joe Biden, whose scandal the left has swept under the rug in the hopes that Trump won't be around to bring it up in 2020.

    I'm not sure how long this inquiry will last. Dems might keep it up for the sake of optics, like they did the Mueller investigation. Or they might drop it completely. Since the whole affair has driven Trump's poll numbers up, Nervous Nancy might pull the plug if Lying Pencil-Neck Schiff doesn't deliver the goods.
    "It is a fine fox chase, my boys"

    "It is well that war is so terrible-we would grow too fond of it"

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    What is needed is for oversight from Congress to be enforced and to not allow the executive branch not only to ignore Congressional subpoenas and to actively encourage or forbid those who are subpoenaed to ignore the subpoena. That is against the law and is against the rule of law.

    If those who either refuse or are forbidden to testify before a Congressional committee had nothing to hide there wouldn't be a problem.
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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    • #3
      https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/17/polit...per/index.html

      President Donald Trump on Sunday lashed out at a State Department employee who is set to testify publicly this week before lawmakers, the latest in a series of social media attacks made by the President against those cooperating in the House impeachment inquiry.


      Jennifer Williams, an aide to Vice President Mike Pence and a career foreign service officer, is scheduled to appear before the House Intelligence Committee on Tuesday. In his Sunday tweet, Trump resurfaced an unfounded accusation he has raised against other officials who have testified in the probe, characterizing Williams as a Never Trumper and associating her with other "Never Trumpers."

      Tweeting a day after Williams' earlier, closed-door testimony was released, Trump urged Williams to "read BOTH transcripts of the presidential calls."

      During a closed-door deposition earlier this month, Williams told lawmakers she was in the White House Situation Room listening to Trump's July 25 phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in real time and reviewed a transcript of Trump's April call prior to Pence's own April call with Zelensky. Williams also listened to a second call between Pence and Zelensky, which took place on September 18 after the hold on security assistance was lifted.
      We are not now that strength which in old days
      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Massena View Post
        What is needed is for oversight from Congress to be enforced and to not allow the executive branch not only to ignore Congressional subpoenas and to actively encourage or forbid those who are subpoenaed to ignore the subpoena. That is against the law and is against the rule of law.

        If those who either refuse or are forbidden to testify before a Congressional committee had nothing to hide there wouldn't be a problem.
        Exactly. A witch hunt.
        "It is a fine fox chase, my boys"

        "It is well that war is so terrible-we would grow too fond of it"

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Massena View Post
          https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/17/polit...per/index.html

          President Donald Trump on Sunday lashed out at a State Department employee who is set to testify publicly this week before lawmakers, the latest in a series of social media attacks made by the President against those cooperating in the House impeachment inquiry.


          Jennifer Williams, an aide to Vice President Mike Pence and a career foreign service officer, is scheduled to appear before the House Intelligence Committee on Tuesday. In his Sunday tweet, Trump resurfaced an unfounded accusation he has raised against other officials who have testified in the probe, characterizing Williams as a Never Trumper and associating her with other "Never Trumpers."

          Tweeting a day after Williams' earlier, closed-door testimony was released, Trump urged Williams to "read BOTH transcripts of the presidential calls."

          During a closed-door deposition earlier this month, Williams told lawmakers she was in the White House Situation Room listening to Trump's July 25 phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in real time and reviewed a transcript of Trump's April call prior to Pence's own April call with Zelensky. Williams also listened to a second call between Pence and Zelensky, which took place on September 18 after the hold on security assistance was lifted.
          Exactly. A witch hunt. Why else is Schiff interviewing people when he has the transcript and knows Trump is innocent?
          "It is a fine fox chase, my boys"

          "It is well that war is so terrible-we would grow too fond of it"

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          • #6
            Originally posted by American87 View Post

            Exactly. A witch hunt. Why else is Schiff interviewing people when he has the transcript and knows Trump is innocent?
            The answer is simple. The available documents don't show Trump did quid pro quo, so it's up to Schiff to drag in lots of witnesses to give opinion, hearsay, and gossip that does confirm this. It's a version of proof by verbosity.



            It's a variant of appeal to popularity. Well, everyone is saying it was quid pro quo, so it must be quid pro quo!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Massena View Post
              What is needed is for oversight from Congress to be enforced and to not allow the executive branch not only to ignore Congressional subpoenas and to actively encourage or forbid those who are subpoenaed to ignore the subpoena. That is against the law and is against the rule of law.
              Nuff said:

              https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...er-in-contempt

              "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by American87 View Post

                Exactly. A witch hunt.
                How is it a 'witch hunt'? Sorry, but that is nothing more than a Trump lie and now a Republican talking point.
                We are not now that strength which in old days
                Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                • #9


                  Republicans are looking for a pretext to hold Trump unaccountable (again) when he uses shady people like his personal lawyer to push for an investigation of his political opponent.
                  My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Massena View Post

                    How is it a 'witch hunt'? Sorry, but that is nothing more than a Trump lie and now a Republican talking point.
                    Mister Kiley:
                    theyse done the same to our beloved doctor
                    Romolus Brinkley, self made medicine man lill, err, miller, err big money business guy when he runs for Gov. in Kansas:

                    Kansas governor campaign ad for J.R. Brinkley, huckster and quack doctor (1930) -Durn Dummycrats just can't stand success......

                    (addr: one will note that the adds do not refer to J r Brinkley as "Doctor" Brinkley, as he was running for governor , since at that time, the governor of Kansas could dismiss ALL malpractice charges..... and re- instate HIS LISCENSE TO , ERR,
                    'PRACTISE'
                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_R._Brinkley
                    AND end the witch hunt....
                    He came within 4% of the vote to winning, and coup -ing the State...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1930_K...orial_election and - actually won , except:

                    Because Brinkley announced his campaign so late, he had to run as a write-in candidate. Three days before the election, the Attorney General of Kansas (a known opponent) announced that the rules surrounding write-in candidates had changed, and that Brinkley's name could only be written in in one specific way for the vote to count (as "J. R. Brinkley").[3] An article published at the time in The Des Moines Register estimated that between 30,000 and 50,000 ballots were disqualified in this manner.[2] The successful candidate, Woodring, later admitted he would have lost had all of Brinkley's votes been counted.[4]

                    Woodring, a very gifted governor, went on to become FDR's Minister of Defense during woorld war two....
                    Last edited by marktwain; 18 Nov 19, 14:31.
                    The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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                    • #11
                      I hate California and all its politicians! Stop trying to take over the country!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by American87 View Post
                        ...Lying Pencil-Neck Schiff
                        Bug-eyed too. Glad this guy is a Demo.

                        Space alien disguised as human? LOL



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                        "Any story sounds true until someone tells the other side and sets the record straight." -Proverbs 18:17

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Massena View Post
                          What is needed is for oversight from Congress to be enforced and to not allow the executive branch not only to ignore Congressional subpoenas and to actively encourage or forbid those who are subpoenaed to ignore the subpoena. That is against the law and is against the rule of law.

                          If those who either refuse or are forbidden to testify before a Congressional committee had nothing to hide there wouldn't be a problem.
                          see
                          "Separation of powers".

                          Congress has no authority under the constitution to engage in "oversight of the executive branch".

                          Voters do that.
                          Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

                          Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by American87 View Post

                            Exactly. A witch hunt.
                            Good point have you complained about all those witch hunts that occurred during Obama s time

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post

                              see
                              "Separation of powers".

                              Congress has no authority under the constitution to engage in "oversight of the executive branch".

                              Voters do that.
                              actually they do.

                              Now to remember the supreme court case that covers that.

                              did some research and a lot of things point to this but don't have time to fully delve into it.

                              McGrain v. Daugherty, 273 U.S. 135 (1927)

                              https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/273/135/
                              Last edited by craven; 18 Nov 19, 14:34.

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