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  • #31
    The Interstate highway system was started as a defense project to allow the US military to move and deploy troops around the country by road. Eisenhower saw the German autobahn system and wanted something similar in the US because of its obvious utility.

    Government has an interest in enforcing some degree of building and other codes across industry and business. The problem with these is that the bureaucracies formed to write and enforce them look at this as a zero sum game. That is, they want to push more and more codes and rules on everybody they regulate with the idea that any risk, anything less than a "zero-tolerance" position is unacceptable. The worse offenders in this sort of way are safety and environmental regulators. They want everything to be 100% safe and contain 0% environmental hazards.

    None of that is "conservative" or "progressive." It's what bureaucracies do-- all of them.

    The perfect example is The March of Dimes. Remember them? This charity was started with the express purpose of eradicating polio in the US, then worldwide. When that happened (which it has) what did they do? They didn't fold up, celebrate on doing a great job, and go away. They found new causes to advocate for and the corporate bureaucracy continued on unabated.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post



      I agree with your point about identity politics, but I think your perception of conservatives is the result of identity politics.
      Certainly some conservatives would behave as you claim, just as some liberals would disown other liberals for being accepting of christianity, or guns, or prolife, or immigration enforcement.
      However, speaking as a conservative, I think that my attitude is actually more consistent with actual conservative views on islam.

      I have no problem with muslims. I only have a problem with their efforts to force our society to change to be more consistent with their practices rather than the other way around. I would have the same problem should a christian religion attempt to force me to support their religious practices as well.

      To be honest, I do have some issues with Islam, not so much as a belief system, but in the way way they treat women for instance or other religions. (See Saudi Arabia)
      I think too many of their views are inconsistent with a modern, free society.
      I don’t think any liberal would be against Christianity or any religion. On the other hand it’s the anarchist types that raise the biggest issue about for example Christmas at the office. Union Democrats are the ones that stand for the national anthem.

      Other then a few white conservative Christians and maybe the Rare black Conservative Christian... Most conservatives are fine with religious freedom because they recognize that for example most Muslims support the very freedoms that American Christians do. Liberals or better yet democrats may have issues with ultra environmentalists and anti abortionists but conservatives have issues with bigtory. And in the American past a lot of the conservatives were Democrats(some gop)that were Dixiecrat’s opposed to desegregation.
      Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
      Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

      George S Patton

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      • #33
        Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

        With which portion of my post do you disagree?
        The parts in which you project your political views onto those of the conservatives.
        Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

          I don’t think any liberal would be against Christianity or any religion. On the other hand it’s the anarchist types that raise the biggest issue about for example Christmas at the office. Union Democrats are the ones that stand for the national anthem.

          Other then a few white conservative Christians and maybe the Rare black Conservative Christian... Most conservatives are fine with religious freedom because they recognize that for example most Muslims support the very freedoms that American Christians do. Liberals or better yet democrats may have issues with ultra environmentalists and anti abortionists but conservatives have issues with bigtory. And in the American past a lot of the conservatives were Democrats(some gop)that were Dixiecrat’s opposed to desegregation.
          There you go again. In fact, it has never been "anarchist types" who disagree with things like public prayer, public religious displays or saying something as simple as "Merry Christmas". It has always been the true-blue liberal progressives, the same ones complaining about gender restrictions, immunizations and just about anything mandated by the government other than colossal welfare programs and socialism.

          You really need to re-think your personal definition of "conservative", because your definition is nowhere close to the truth and it's making you sound like the raging Socialist Democrats ranting on television everyday about how everything is someone else's fault but theirs...never theirs.

          Meanwhile, the progressive motto should be "Just because you can, doesn't mean that you should...or that it;s even a good idea." Change simply for it's own sake is not progress; it's lunacy.

          Imagine yourself in one of TITANIC's lifeboats: the progressive wants to organize everyone into rowing teams, appoint an official and set up a committee to select a course. The conservatives want him to sit down and stop rocking the boat before he sinks everybody.
          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

            The parts in which you project your political views onto those of the conservatives.
            Well that was enlightening.
            I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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