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  • #31
    So the deep state conspiracy to take down the Trump administration shows her face, Ambassador Yovanovitch

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Massena View Post
      And Trump attempted witness intimidation against Ambassador Yovanovitch while she was testifyin…

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

      Former U.S. Ukraine Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch provided chilling detail Friday in Trump impeachment hearings of being suddenly ousted from her post and feeling threatened upon learning President Donald Trump had denounced her in a July phone call with Ukraine’s president. In that call, Trump assailed her as “bad news” and said she was “going to go through some things.”

      In an extraordinary moment, even in an administration filled with them, Trump himself went after her again as she spoke, tweeting from the White House that everywhere she served had “turned bad.” He emphasized that as president he had the “absolute right” to appoint his own ambassadors.

      Yovanovitch was testifying on the second day of public impeachment hearings into Trump, just the fourth time in American history that the House of Representatives has launched such proceedings. The investigation centers on whether Trump’s push for Ukrainian officials to investigate his political rivals amounted to an abuse of power, a charge he and Republicans vigorously deny.

      After Trump’s tweet on Friday, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee swiftly intervened, halting the questioning to read the president’s comments out loud to the witness -- and Americans following the hearing -- during a live broadcast across the country.
      You mean she was checking Trump's twitter account while giving her testimony? Is that what you want us to believe?

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      "Any story sounds true until someone tells the other side and sets the record straight." -Proverbs 18:17

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      • #33
        disgruntled fired employee

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        • #34
          Originally posted by OttoHarkaman View Post
          disgruntled fired employee
          Incredible. You need to pay attention, I should think, to what was said and what was done to her by Giuliani and company.

          This makes more sense:

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news...cid=spartanntp
          We are not now that strength which in old days
          Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
          Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
          To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by BorderRuffian View Post
            You mean she was checking Trump's twitter account while giving her testimony? Is that what you want us to believe?
            You don't pay attention and/or you're just making things up.

            The tweets from the president were presented to the committee when they were posted by the president and shown to the audience as they happened. Yovanovich had nothing to do with it.
            We are not now that strength which in old days
            Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
            Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
            To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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            • #36
              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp

              President Trump specifically inquired about political investigations he wanted carried out by Ukraine during a July phone call with a top U.S. diplomat who then told colleagues that the president was most interested in a probe into former vice president Joe Biden and his son, a State Department aide said Friday in closed-door testimony that could significantly advance House Democrats’ impeachment inquiry.

              David Holmes, an embassy staffer in Kyiv, testified that he overheard a July 26 phone call in which Trump pressed U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland about whether Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky would “do the investigation,” according to three people who have read his opening statement and spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe its contents.

              “Ambassador Sondland replied that ‘he’s gonna do it,’ adding that President Zelensky will do ‘anything you ask him to,’ ” Holmes said, according to these people.
              We are not now that strength which in old days
              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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              • #37
                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

                President Donald Trump's worlds collided in devastating fashion in Washington on Friday, exposing legal and political vulnerabilities that Democrats want to exploit as he works to survive impeachment and his 2020 re-election bid.


                All three branches of government demonstrated, in one day and in unmatchable high-profile fashion, the cost Trump and his loyalists have been willing to impose on the nation and its citizens — including members of his inner circle at times — in pursuit of political and personal aims. And ultimately, those costs are at the heart of the argument Democrats will make for ousting Trump, one way or the other.




                "The powers of the presidency are immense, but they are not absolute and they cannot be used for corrupt purpose," House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff , D-Calif., said on Friday. "The American people expect the president to use the authority they grant him in service of the nation, not to destroy others to advance his personal or political interests."

                Inside a Capitol Hill hearing room, a veteran diplomat testified before the Intelligence Committee and the nation that Trump abused his power by smearing her so that he could, in subversion of American interests, facilitate a deal with Ukraine that would likely help his campaign.

                At the same time, a mile and a half away from Capitol Hill at the White House, Trump again tried to discredit former Ukraine Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch as she recounted how the president and his loyalists had damaged those interests, hurt morale at the State Department and tried to sully her reputation, which lawmakers in both parties agreed was stellar.
                We are not now that strength which in old days
                Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Massena View Post
                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

                  President Donald Trump's worlds collided in devastating fashion in Washington on Friday, exposing legal and political vulnerabilities that Democrats want to exploit as he works to survive impeachment and his 2020 re-election bid.


                  All three branches of government demonstrated, in one day and in unmatchable high-profile fashion, the cost Trump and his loyalists have been willing to impose on the nation and its citizens — including members of his inner circle at times — in pursuit of political and personal aims. And ultimately, those costs are at the heart of the argument Democrats will make for ousting Trump, one way or the other.




                  "The powers of the presidency are immense, but they are not absolute and they cannot be used for corrupt purpose," House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff , D-Calif., said on Friday. "The American people expect the president to use the authority they grant him in service of the nation, not to destroy others to advance his personal or political interests."

                  Inside a Capitol Hill hearing room, a veteran diplomat testified before the Intelligence Committee and the nation that Trump abused his power by smearing her so that he could, in subversion of American interests, facilitate a deal with Ukraine that would likely help his campaign.

                  At the same time, a mile and a half away from Capitol Hill at the White House, Trump again tried to discredit former Ukraine Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch as she recounted how the president and his loyalists had damaged those interests, hurt morale at the State Department and tried to sully her reputation, which lawmakers in both parties agreed was stellar.
                  Awww.... Schiff made some meaningless rhetoric, and Yovanovitch was a dud whining about how she was treated unfairly and didn't like Trump's policies after liking Trump's policies. Today some nobody of an assistant to an underflunky at State named David Holmes testified he heard some stuff by his superiors talking to who claims was Trump, but he wasn't personally in on the call just listening like a good little nobody from a corner of the conference room or through a closed door...

                  If this is all the Democrats have they're so finished. No real court would even bother to hear such tripe. But we have a crazy guy holding a Stalinesque show trial so he can vote to impeach Trump since he's already rendered that verdict in public more than once.



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                  • #39
                    https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/16/opini...zer/index.html

                    The first week of impeachment public hearings was devastating for President Donald Trump. The House Intelligence Committee heard testimony from foreign service officials deeply troubled by the administration's shadow policymaking cabal, headed by Rudy Giuliani, that withheld vital foreign aid in exchange for campaign support.


                    The week ended with former Ukraine Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch recounting the vicious smear campaign that helped lead to her being drummed out of her job. As she spoke, the President confirmed his willingness to attack her this way via live tweets.






                    As if that were not bad enough, David Holmes, an aide to the top US diplomat in Ukraine, William Taylor, ended the day behind closed doors explaining, according to his opening statement, how he overheard the President speaking loudly on the phone with Ambassador Gordon Sondland in a restaurant in Kiev about the investigations related to Hunter Biden and conspiracy theories about the origins of the Russia investigation.

                    In other words, everyone has been confirming the report of the whistleblower. Republicans have been left to offer faux complaints about the process and to suggest that all of the bad things that are being reported are based on hearsay.
                    We are not now that strength which in old days
                    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                    • #40
                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

                      Ukrainian officials arrived at the White House on July 10 expecting something approaching normal. They were in Washington for a scheduled meeting with then-National Security Adviser John Bolton with a plan to propose a new path for U.S.-Ukrainian relations under the umbrella of energy and security cooperation. All seemed to go well—until U.S. Ambassador to the European Union
                      Gordon Sondland
                      stepped in. “That’s when things really went off the rails,” one person in the room said.
                      We are not now that strength which in old days
                      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                      • #41
                        Seems Trump went to the doctor the other day for 'chest pains.' Walter Reed. He is the oldest president ever elected. Let's hope that Giuliani and Bolton both testify to clear Trump over a 'perfect' call.

                        I'd assume Trump wants his team to exonerate and back him up right?

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                          I'd love to see a list of the witness's voter registration in this case. I bet there's hardly an 'R' among them...
                          you know there are a few people who could tell a different story. ie Mulvaney Bolton Pompeo. But for some reason they aren't allowed to testify.

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                          • #43
                            They are not being allowed to testify because their testimony would be detrimental to Trump. And all three of them are skunks of the highest order.
                            We are not now that strength which in old days
                            Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                            Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                            To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by BorderRuffian View Post
                              Rep. Mark Meadows:

                              Q: "Do you have any information regarding POTUS accepting bribes?"

                              Yovanovitch: "No"

                              Q: Do you have any evidence of any criminal activity from POTUS?"

                              Yovanovitch: "No"
                              an important thing about building a case. The framing of the landscape is also important. (which is what she did.) Meadows questions are standard lawyer questions to muddy what her purpose in testifying is.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by BorderRuffian View Post
                                Rep. Mark Meadows:

                                Q: "Do you have any information regarding POTUS accepting bribes?"

                                Yovanovitch: "No"

                                Q: Do you have any evidence of any criminal activity from POTUS?"

                                Yovanovitch: "No"
                                As even the FOX News Wallace pointed to the republican guest who raised the same point, the witnesses have been clear that they were not there to make judgments regarding if there is a criminal activity or not. They simply present the facts and the House will decide if these presented facts constitute evidence of crime or not.

                                https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/c...ies-very-badly

                                Scalise argued on “Fox News Sunday” that the testimonies of diplomats Bill Taylor, George Kent, and Marie Yovanovitch did not prove Trump had not committed an impeachable offense when he withheld military aid to Ukraine in order to push the Ukrainian government to investigate Joe Biden.

                                “All three of them were asked by–whether it was John Ratcliffe or whether it was Chris Stewart–all three of them were asked: Did you see any impeachable offenses? Did you see any bribery? Any of that? Not one of those things were mentioned,” Scalise said. “Not one person said they saw a crime committed.”

                                “Sir, with all due respect, that very badly mischaracterizes what they said,” Wallace responded.

                                “They were asked–William Taylor, for instance, the acting Ambassador to Ukraine, was asked whether or not these were impeachable offenses. He said ‘I’m there as a fact witness, I’m not there to pass judgment,’” the Fox host continued. “But he made it clear what he thought about what the President was doing.”


                                Last edited by pamak; 18 Nov 19, 15:57.
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