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  • CarpeDiem
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    After cleaning the last page of offending posts thread is now reopening.
    Repeat behaviour in this thread from any poster will result in further action.
    Address the post and not the poster.
    Thank you
    ACG Staff

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  • CarpeDiem
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    THREAD LOCKED FOR REPEATED PERSONAL ATTACKS FROM MEMBERS WHO SHOULD KNOW BETTER.

    Here's another tip to take in. Insulting someone via meme is not a work around for attacking the poster and not the post.



    Thank you ACG Staff

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  • inevtiab1e
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Actually, I'm getting "(fill in here: Impeach, vilify, hate, finger-point, anti-, etc.) Trump" fatigue. The MSM is nearly 100% negative in their reporting on this administration. Nothing Trump or his administration does can be given any credit, even when well deserved.



    The Democrats are doing the same. Impeach Trump is a hot topic even in their 2020 presidential campaign which might best be characterized at this point as a 'schizophrenic Chinese fire drill.'



    Just the constant bleating, hair on fire, gnashing of teeth that the MSM and Democrats do over Trump has worn thin. I just tune it out now. Okay, the guy's an Olympics class troll and a bloviating braggard with a streak of impulsiveness as wide as an LA freeway. That doesn't make him "the worst President ever..." or impeachable, or a criminal, or some devious super villain.



    But, given the link in the OP is to the Daily Beast I think this is what they're really talking about rather than Republicans tiring of Trump in the sense they claim.




    Propaganda. It works on some people.

    It is nice to know you get your 'news' from social media. Perfect bait for Russian trolls. They're coming for you again in 2020

    Just make it up!
    https://www.apnews.com/afs:Content:2342583504

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  • craven
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

    I'm considering things based on her lifetime accomplishments, often as crude and criminal as they are. I think Trump could have been predicted to be a bloviating troll with a zeppelin sized ego.



    Except, that they've been overturned on appeal in higher courts nearly 100% of the time because their rulings aren't made on solid law or case law but rather by ruling against Trump because they don't like what he's doing.



    You might want to go back and revisit the eight Clinton years he was in office.
    At the supreme court lvl and that because imo the conservative judges are wrong on this one Not really for any ill purpose. but with these guy black would be second class citizens still

    So the wife is responsible for the Husband got it.

    But even so still better than just three years of Trump. I mean hes is the only president to be named in criminal conspiracy. ie
    He gives no money to charity and actually steals it instead.
    The Lincoln bedroom was bad but Trump using a whole hotel lol
    Money from the chinesse was bad but hows this whole having the Russians campaign for you thing work. (notice how Trump keeps giving things to Putins)

    Also between Bill and Don who had a better economy. Bill lower defciets and people actually made a living wage

    And even more funny is you keep mentioning Hillary I mean the Republicans are the idiots who let Donald get nominated.

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by craven View Post

    See this is the problem. You are considering things in a vacuum Hillary understands how to govern unlike trump and AOC
    She would of done the possible Why because the republicans wouldn't of let her do anything more.
    I'm considering things based on her lifetime accomplishments, often as crude and criminal as they are. I think Trump could have been predicted to be a bloviating troll with a zeppelin sized ego.

    Actually I disagree I think some of the Obama appointees have been on the right path when it comes to limiting the powers of the president in a lot of cases. The problem is the founders never imagined an a Trump like figure and a compliant congress at the same time. I mean why not let someones words be used against them in a court of law. Intent of laws is just as important as the laws. or do you support jim crow laws I mean in general they were legitmate law but there intent was the issue.
    Except, that they've been overturned on appeal in higher courts nearly 100% of the time because their rulings aren't made on solid law or case law but rather by ruling against Trump because they don't like what he's doing.

    See all of that negative stuff you say about what could occur durning a Clinton presidentancy are peanuts compared to the harm Trump is doing. Trump has pretty much made it so when a dem is in office all those thing you would not want them doing is an automatic with no checks.
    You might want to go back and revisit the eight Clinton years he was in office.

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  • craven
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

    No she wouldn't have been. Hillary as First Lady, then SoS, has shown herself to be a duplicitous, mendacious, criminal, and downright evil martinet. As First Lady she used the FBI to gather intelligence on her enemies. In both capacities she freely, frivolously, and often with criminal intent circumvented or ignored laws and rules on a whole plethora of things including the most sensitive national security issues.



    We saw how this would play out in the Benghazi scandal. Hillary wouldn't bother to answer the phone and would then put the blame on others for what she did.

    The worst part of a Hillary presidency would be she'd appoint more federal judges. We're already seeing the results of eight years of Obama doing that with some of the most biased, unhinged, and partisan judicial decisions against Trump in the federal courts all by Obama and Clinton appointees. That would screw things up for decades to come.

    We'd likely also see a repeat of "Chinagate" and the bribing of a presidency by other nations on a damn near daily basis. Maybe we could get a repeat of a Janet Reno being Attorney General and starting a war against the radical Right for no good reason. This time, maybe it would end worse than the Oklahoma City bombing and Waco.

    Hillary would have been far, far worse as President than Trump.
    See this is the problem. You are considering things in a vacuum Hillary understands how to govern unlike trump and AOC
    She would of done the possible Why because the republicans wouldn't of let her do anything more.

    Actually I disagree I think some of the Obama appointees have been on the right path when it comes to limiting the powers of the president in a lot of cases. The problem is the founders never imagined an a Trump like figure and a compliant congress at the same time. I mean why not let someones words be used against them in a court of law. Intent of laws is just as important as the laws. or do you support jim crow laws I mean in general they were legitmate law but there intent was the issue.

    See all of that negative stuff you say about what could occur durning a Clinton presidentancy are peanuts compared to the harm Trump is doing. Trump has pretty much made it so when a dem is in office all those thing you would not want them doing is an automatic with no checks.

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by craven

    your not actually thinking are ya. Hillary better than Trump yep because Trump done everything I as a conservative really hate anyways and probally going to vote Dem just because the Reps in Washington currently have not done what conservatives should be doing. Limiting the presidential power. (At no point would Hillary of been claiming the vast swaths of predential power that trump is) I mean excutive privlage no longer has to be asserted by the president just any joe blow can claim it .

    But the other point which is the important part. Trump is pretty much destroyed the conservative movment because he has tarred it with so much dirt that other than being strong in certain areas of the US it will always lose out.

    So assume Hillary won. well with a republican check in congress would of been a better president than Trump. She also would of more than likely been a one term president


    Hillary would of at least got something worthwhile passed like infrastructure and more than likely Tax reform not just tax cuts.
    No she wouldn't have been. Hillary as First Lady, then SoS, has shown herself to be a duplicitous, mendacious, criminal, and downright evil martinet. As First Lady she used the FBI to gather intelligence on her enemies. In both capacities she freely, frivolously, and often with criminal intent circumvented or ignored laws and rules on a whole plethora of things including the most sensitive national security issues.



    We saw how this would play out in the Benghazi scandal. Hillary wouldn't bother to answer the phone and would then put the blame on others for what she did.

    The worst part of a Hillary presidency would be she'd appoint more federal judges. We're already seeing the results of eight years of Obama doing that with some of the most biased, unhinged, and partisan judicial decisions against Trump in the federal courts all by Obama and Clinton appointees. That would screw things up for decades to come.

    We'd likely also see a repeat of "Chinagate" and the bribing of a presidency by other nations on a damn near daily basis. Maybe we could get a repeat of a Janet Reno being Attorney General and starting a war against the radical Right for no good reason. This time, maybe it would end worse than the Oklahoma City bombing and Waco.

    Hillary would have been far, far worse as President than Trump.

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  • marktwain
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Not "fatigue", but I'm getting an itchy rash every time a Democrat opens their mouth.
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  • Cambronnne
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    Originally posted by craven View Post

    Oh I can answer that because at least it not my team being the idiots. For conservatives we would of been way better with Hillary in office and having the house and senate and then winning presidenancy in 2020

    There is no way Hillary would of expanded the excutuve branches power as Trump has.

    So your subjective belief that Hillary would just be better should be given greater weight to a conservative voter than Hillary's actual posiitons on issues?
    I will play the role of a typical conservative voter and consider 6 of Hillary's top ten promises.
    from politicfact
    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...aign-promises/

    I will paraphrase to save space.

    1) Eliminate college tuition for a family making less than $125,000.
    Why would a conservative support free college? College isn't a right and the cost of this program will be enormous. But it will benefit teacher's unions. Gee, I wonder if that is the real point.
    2) Immigration reform.
    At what point should a conservative expect that such a phrase would involve enforcing the existing laws or stopping "sanctuary" states and cities? Conservatives don't really support open borders.
    3)"Stand up to Republican-led attacks on this landmark (health care) law—and build on its success to bring the promise of affordable health care to more people and make a ‘public option’ possible."
    I quoted that promise because the concept that conservatives would support something like that was too funny to even discuss. Although I thought Obama fixed healthcare. Why does it need to be fixed again so soon? Did someone lie to me?
    4) "We will do everything we can to overturn Citizens United."
    Citizens united is consistent with the 1st Amendment. If teacher's unions and auto unions (corporations) are allowed to spend money on politics why not everyone else? The problem with citizens united is it allowed conservatives to get into the game. Sorry, we won't support that promise.
    5) Fighting for equal pay.
    Nope. I believe that people should be paid what they are worth. The "fight for 15" seems to have led to a lot of unemployment by previously employed low skilled workers.
    6) No increase in middle class taxes.
    Trump cut them. I think conservatives prefer that.

    I will skip the last 4, but I think my point is clear.
    If you are concerned about the unidentified expansion of executive power, I suspect you were equally upset by Obama's.
    (See DACA and his promise of a "pen and a phone")

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by craven View Post

    Oh I can answer that because at least it not my team being the idiots. For conservatives we would of been way better with Hillary in office and having the house and senate and then winning presidenancy in 2020

    There is no way Hillary would of expanded the excutuve branches power as Trump has.
    You're right! Hillary would have far more grossly expanded executive branch power and abused it in criminal ways we've never seen a President do it before.

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  • craven
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    Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post

    How could a conservative actually consider anyone from the other side, when the dem agenda is so antagonistic to conservative beliefs.

    The dem party can only call me racist and ignorant so many times before I begin to think that maybe they don't like me.
    Oh I can answer that because at least it not my team being the idiots. For conservatives we would of been way better with Hillary in office and having the house and senate and then winning presidenancy in 2020

    There is no way Hillary would of expanded the excutuve branches power as Trump has.

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  • SRV Ron
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    The upcoming election will tell. Either the voters will toss out the RINOs and Democrats that are obsessed with undoing the 2012 elections, or the country will allow the Pelosi Democrats to win and turn the country into a Venezuela style dictatorship.

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by Sparlingo View Post

    My conclusion as well, things are going to get very messy methinks.
    Why should they at this point? The Democrats have nothing on him of substance that will get them onboard with impeachment. The Democrat Presidential candidates are a bunch of losers that even Democrats are starting to admit are mostly seriously flawed. The Republicans also see that it's likely the Democrats will lose ground in Congress over impeachment.

    Why should they not back Trump?

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  • Sparlingo
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    Originally posted by Sparlingo View Post

    My conclusion as well, things are going to get very messy methinks.
    let me expand on that and I am not making a partisan judgement here. It seems probable that impeachment will go to the senate. There are 2 possibilities from there. 1- Trump will be acquitted or 2-he will be removed after losing an Impeachment trial. If he is acquitted there will be a lot of protest, screams and howls, but the voters could then decide at the ballot box in a fairly short time. If he is Impeached and removed I see that it's possible that most Republicans will continue to support him to the bitter end and beyond. This suggests that major civil unrest is a possibility with the rock solid support of 40% of the population. Am I getting carried away about that? Or will a good chunk of Republicans accept the verdict if it goes against him? Again, I am not making any judgment here about the merits of a Trump impeachment, just speculating on what could happen.

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  • Salinator
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    Originally posted by Trung Si View Post

    First of all, the article in the OP is a wishful thinking piece (by the anti -Trump media) the divide in this Country has existed since the late 60s, but I admit that has gotten worse during the Trump administration, because of a lost election that democRats and the MEDIA thought was in the bag, NO REPUBLICAN challenger could have won that race except Trump because they were ALL too timid to stand up to the democRat POLITICAL MACHINE, Trump is either too dumb, or too much of a Bully to do that, and someone needed to, that's why people like me support his (not his persona) but his policies I am not a registered republican but I vote that way because I have no other choice, re Your question, see the first sentence in my post.
    Republicans are not going to abandon Trump, END of Story!
    I believe you are conflating Trump-supporters and Republicans when they are two entirely different groups of people that may share some overlapping.

    Many Republicans have abandoned Trump, many of them BEFORE before the 2016 election or even before he became the GOP nominee. How many Republican in office consistently defend Trump versus how the Dems circle the wagons and go Spartan 300 for anything Clinton or Obama? The Republican politicians as a whole has no backbone, and by extension then......neither has the GOP.

    The reality is that politicians in general look out for their own political necks and career longevity, and party-affiliated voters are either hardcore towers of party-line or actually actually think for themselves.

    There is no Trump fatigue. Only MSM fake news fatigue and Trump-bashers that drank the kool-aid fatigue.

    ACG is fairly mild when it comes to members voicing political ire because we are a forum populated mostly by members that have a more than average interest in history, but if you go to some of the forums that are founded on politics, you can really see the blindness that causes so much hate and total lack of reasoning by those that are afflicted with TDS.


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