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  • #16
    Originally posted by Snowshoveler View Post
    The Pierre Elliott Trudeau Foundation is an independent and non-partisan charity established in 2001 as a living memorial to the former prime minister. In 2002, with the support of the House of Commons, the Government of Canada endowed the Foundation with the Advanced Research in the Humanities and Human Sciences Fund. The Foundation also benefits from private donations. By granting doctoral scholarships, awarding fellowships, appointing mentors, and holding public events, the Foundation encourages critical reflection and action in four areas important to Canadians: human rights and dignity, responsible citizenship, Canada and the world, and people and their natural environment."

    It does not get involved in political campaigns or purchase attack ads.

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    • #17
      I think you can analyze these kind of behavioral patterns from a Taoist philosophical position.

      Yin characteristics: passive, negative, darkness, earth, north slope, cloudy, water, softness, female, moisture, night-time, downward seeking, slowness, consuming, cold, odd numbers, and docile aspects of things.

      Yang characteristics: active, positive, brightness, heaven, south slope, sunshine, fire, hardness, male, dryness, day-time, upward seeking, restless, producing, hot, even numbers, and dominant aspects of things.

      The left can be though of as having the characteristics of Yin. Both Obama and Trudeau had childhoods steeped in Marxist dogma. Obama through his Marxist parents and Trudeau through his families close relationship with Fidel Castro. If you think of philosophy as observation without the rigorous testing of modern science those observations rise to the level of correlation without confirmed causation. That is the nature of the "science" of Taoism. In the slightly more scientific terms of psychology the Yin can be viewed by personality traits of openness, extroversion and neuroticism. Perhaps the best insight into the psychological role that the Yin has on political thought can be seen in Obama's concept of leading from behind. There are two predominant forms of manipulation, passive and active, soft and hard, negative and positive. Obama's and Trudeau's manipulations are of the passive variety that rely on emotional manipulation as opposed to the hard, common sense, aggressive persuasion of conservatives. The logical contradictions as posited in the original post do not exist in the Yin perspective.

      It should not be assumed that the Yang is logical and the Yin illogical. Each have their own natural logic but the subset of relevant correlations are distinct. It also should not be assumed that passive means ineffectual or non aggressive. The Yin acts out aggression through third parties or by low level but unrelenting agitation. Nor should the passive be confused with innocence. The logic of the Yin as it relates to this thread is that equity, diversity and inclusion supersedes the vulgar logic of common sense ethics. The Yin sees itself as sublime. It ironically assumes that innate characteristics trump acquired characteristics. It's political objectives are of such excellence, grandeur, or beauty as to inspire great admiration or awe and absolution from practical ethical considerations.

      Of course their is no pure Yin or Yang. Elements of both are always present. That said small imbalances have outsized effects.
      We hunt the hunters

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Sparlingo View Post

        The Pierre Elliott Trudeau Foundation is an independent and non-partisan charity established in 2001 as a living memorial to the former prime minister. In 2002, with the support of the House of Commons, the Government of Canada endowed the Foundation with the Advanced Research in the Humanities and Human Sciences Fund. The Foundation also benefits from private donations. By granting doctoral scholarships, awarding fellowships, appointing mentors, and holding public events, the Foundation encourages critical reflection and action in four areas important to Canadians: human rights and dignity, responsible citizenship, Canada and the world, and people and their natural environment."

        It does not get involved in political campaigns or purchase attack ads.
        No certainly since the amount of foreign money raised by the foundation since PM hush money has been PM has nothing to do with influencing the governments decisions after all he’s an ethical and honest man.
        The Clinton foundation showed them all how it’s done.

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        • #19
          How is it that Americans are permitted on this forum to comment on a Canadian election? Isn't that foreign interference into Canada's election? If it is not then why is it you can comment on it but Barack Obama can not?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
            This looks like it's going to be a very boring thread.
            Crickets & tumbleweeds.

            I doubt this thread will get any replies at all.... 192773514-tumbleweed-alias-smith-and-jones-film-ghost-town-rusty.jpg

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Sparlingo View Post
              How is it that Americans are permitted on this forum to comment on a Canadian election? Isn't that foreign interference into Canada's election? If it is not then why is it you can comment on it but Barack Obama can not?
              Barak Obama is a former President, that's the difference.

              it isn't about that he can't, it's the sheer hypocracy of the American liberals howling about "foreign interference", and then having no problem as Obama tries to interfere in our election.

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              • #22
                I've voted both Conservative and Liberal over my life. I hate this election. Lack of civility and a descent into the nastiest of political smears and US style negative politics, yes I said it. There were even anti-Trudeau ads that Facebook wouldn't allow as too violent.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by III Corps View Post
                  What's outrageous about a private citizen expressing his choice for a political candidate?
                  It's foreign election interference.

                  Canada is days away from a general election, in which the latest polls show the difference between parties to be razor-thin.


                  So let me give you an analogy.
                  Suppose that your next election is predicted to be extremely close, with the winner of New York likely to determine the outcome.
                  Obviously New York has a large population of Jewish, Irish & Italian (Catholic) immigrants.

                  Would you be OK with the Prime Minister of Israel coming over to give an endorsement to the Republican candidate, as the other is weak on support for Israel?

                  Would you be OK if the Pope gave his endorsement to the Democrat candidate?

                  If their endorsement swung a close election, are you OK with that?



                  If Americans are against foreigners getting involved in elections, but are Ok with Obama meddling in foreign elections, it pure hypocrisy.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by marktwain View Post
                    hate to point this out , but you used an American Hoosgow pix- we have our own legal system up here………...….
                    Yes of course, as the Americans would be the ones to take him into custody, pending extradition...

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                    • #25
                      Well this would be on the Canadians to take issue with. And they have every right to be upset, but this isn't an American issue.
                      "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                      - Benjamin Franklin

                      The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Freebird View Post

                        It's foreign election interference.

                        Canada is days away from a general election, in which the latest polls show the difference between parties to be razor-thin.


                        So let me give you an analogy.
                        Suppose that your next election is predicted to be extremely close, with the winner of New York likely to determine the outcome.
                        Obviously New York has a large population of Jewish, Irish & Italian (Catholic) immigrants.

                        Would you be OK with the Prime Minister of Israel coming over to give an endorsement to the Republican candidate, as the other is weak on support for Israel?

                        Would you be OK if the Pope gave his endorsement to the Democrat candidate?

                        If their endorsement swung a close election, are you OK with that?



                        If Americans are against foreigners getting involved in elections, but are Ok with Obama meddling in foreign elections, it pure hypocrisy.
                        A tweet from former Conservative PM Harper during the Indian election:


                        Stephen Harper
                        @stephenharper
                        Jan 8
                        The most significant leader of India since Independence, my friend @narendramodi is shaping every conversation on geopolitics & the global economy. For India to realize its potential, it needs the courageous & visionary leadership of Prime Minister Modi. Proud to stand with him.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Sparlingo View Post

                          A tweet from former Conservative PM Harper during the Indian election:


                          Stephen Harper
                          @stephenharper
                          Jan 8
                          The most significant leader of India since Independence, my friend @narendramodi is shaping every conversation on geopolitics & the global economy. For India to realize its potential, it needs the courageous & visionary leadership of Prime Minister Modi. Proud to stand with him.
                          Stephen Harper needs to stay the hell out of India's election.

                          J
                          Harper was wrong.
                          Obama was wrong.

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                          • #28
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                            • #29
                              The claim makes zero sense:

                              The US law is only interested in prohibiting foreign intervention in the US election. And even then, foreign intervention must meet certain requirements to be illegal and have an indictment. Does anybody remember the claim that "collusion is legal"? The US laws related to foreign intervention do not care if US citizens (or the US government) intervene in foreign elections. So, if a US citizen wants to donate money to a candidate in the Greek elections, this is perfectly legal according to the US law, but if a Greek citizen (without dual Greek-American citizenship) wants to do the same and donate money to Trump Campaign, he will be indicted like it happened with Giuliani's associates Parnas and Fruman
                              My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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