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  • #16
    What I know for sure is there isn't anybody posting in this thread who understands global warming. Part of that is due to the anti science lack of transparency of the researchers. Some of it is due to the complexity of the issues. Most of it is due to political bias. Global Warming is the convenient truth that the authoritarian left thinks it can use to destroy the existing economic system.
    We hunt the hunters

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    • #17
      Originally posted by inevtiab1e View Post
      Why should people have to get rid of their cars instead of holding fossil fuel corporations responsible? Why don't those crooked corporations have to do anything in your opinion?
      Those Crooked Corporations, as you called them, are the ones making those cars and providing the polluting gasoline that powers them. You drive a car, you are part of the pollution problem. (The extreme pollution from producing steel and aluminum, the fossil fuels taken from the ground, the pollution from electricity generation to make the electronics in them.

      Sure, you can argue that we should be driving electric cars. But where do the batteries come from? the electricity needed to charge them at night? The massive amount of pollution needed to build windmills, solar cells, and storage batteries?

      Originally posted by inevtiab1e View Post
      What does photosynthesis and plant growth have to do with anything? I smell a denier argument coming next.
      Large countries with massive CO2 emissions are already cleaning up their act. They recognize the problem. Why do you think Big Oil corporations should get a pass on the topic? Sounds like you'd prefer the American people to make sacrifices instead of the culprits.
      Without a certain amount of CO2 in the air, photosynthesis will not take place. Without photosynthesis, plants will die. Without the plants, we all die. Right now, the higher level of CO2 in the air has been a boom for plant growth.

      and, your dodging the question as usual, Why should China, India, Mexico, be allowed to pollute at will as the UIS and Europe have made great strides in cleaning up their industrial production? Why should the Amazon Natives be allowed to slash and burn down the rain forest?

      Waiting for your answer.

      “Breaking News,”

      “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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      • #18
        Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
        What I know for sure is there isn't anybody posting in this thread who understands global warming. Part of that is due to the anti science lack of transparency of the researchers. Some of it is due to the complexity of the issues. Most of it is due to political bias. Global Warming is the convenient truth that the authoritarian left thinks it can use to destroy the existing economic system.
        The energy output of the sun, dust and chemicals in the air from volcanic eruptions, a crack in the floor of the Arctic Ocean that extends north of Iceland that spews hit lava into the sea, All contribute to the changes in the climate.

        Still, that will not satisfy the far left until they can brainwash enough people to willingly give up their freedom for the false security of living in communes where their worth to the collective and their Progressive Masters will determine if they remain living or not.

        https://www.huffpost.com/entry/agend...ity-_b_1523118
        https://prepareforchange.net/2019/04...ation-by-2030/
        “Breaking News,”

        “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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        • #19
          Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post
          Those Crooked Corporations, as you called them, are the ones making those cars and providing the polluting gasoline that powers them. You drive a car, you are part of the pollution problem. (The extreme pollution from producing steel and aluminum, the fossil fuels taken from the ground, the pollution from electricity generation to make the electronics in them.

          Sure, you can argue that we should be driving electric cars. But where do the batteries come from? the electricity needed to charge them at night? The massive amount of pollution needed to build windmills, solar cells, and storage batteries?



          Without a certain amount of CO2 in the air, photosynthesis will not take place. Without photosynthesis, plants will die. Without the plants, we all die. Right now, the higher level of CO2 in the air has been a boom for plant growth.

          and, your dodging the question as usual, Why should China, India, Mexico, be allowed to pollute at will as the UIS and Europe have made great strides in cleaning up their industrial production? Why should the Amazon Natives be allowed to slash and burn down the rain forest?

          Waiting for your answer.
          There is a hard ceiling to how much the extra Co2 will help biomass and there are also other factors to consider, nitrogen availibilty, temperature, moisture etc etc all influence plant growth.

          It has also been observed that crops grown in higher co2 environments are less nutritious.
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          The benefits of higher Co2 don't match up to the costs.
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          Last edited by Jutland; 13 Oct 19, 06:06.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post
            Those Crooked Corporations, as you called them, are the ones making those cars and providing the polluting gasoline that powers them. You drive a car, you are part of the pollution problem.
            Big Oil corporations don't make cars. They provide the gasoline. Regulations have been introduced to curb CO2 emissions from vehicles. Why is it these crooked corporations don't have to regulate themselves and attempt to reduce CO2 admissions?
            (The extreme pollution from producing steel and aluminum, the fossil fuels taken from the ground, the pollution from electricity generation to make the electronics in them.
            So you're saying it's impossible for these crooked corporations to reduce their pollution? No capture units, no new technologies to curb CO2 output at the factory? Does it bother you these same crooked corporations have learned to lobby congress to make sure they don't have to curb their pollution? And it's much cheaper that way?
            Sure, you can argue that we should be driving electric cars. But where do the batteries come from? the electricity needed to charge them at night? The massive amount of pollution needed to build windmills, solar cells, and storage batteries?
            You're only repeating what Big Oil has taught you. You do realize that fossil fuels aren't necessary to build what you mentioned.
            https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...t-fossil-fuel/

            Without a certain amount of CO2 in the air, photosynthesis will not take place. Without photosynthesis, plants will die. Without the plants, we all die. Right now, the higher level of CO2 in the air has been a boom for plant growth.
            So your argument is the extra CO2 pollution from Big Oil is wonderful because plants can grow slightly faster? How does that benefit you?

            and, your dodging the question as usual, Why should China, India, Mexico, be allowed to pollute at will as the UIS and Europe have made great strides in cleaning up their industrial production?
            Every country has it's own laws and rules. If they pollute, that's on them. But the countries you mentioned are moving to reduce CO2 pollution.
            Why should the Amazon Natives be allowed to slash and burn down the rain forest?
            They shouldn't be allowed, but that's on the country and their government. Rules and laws.

            Things like the Paris Agreement (Climate agreement) are joint efforts by multiple countries to work together on tackling the problem of CO2 pollution. What did Trump do? He got out of the agreement. This goes back to Big Oil/Coal lobbying.
            The Paris Agreement builds upon the Convention and for the first time brings all nations into a common cause to undertake ambitious efforts to combat climate change and adapt to its effects, with enhanced support to assist developing countries to do so. As such, it charts a new course in the global climate effort.
            https://unfccc.int/process-and-meeti...aris-agreement
            Last edited by inevtiab1e; 13 Oct 19, 08:43.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post

              The energy output of the sun, dust and chemicals in the air from volcanic eruptions, a crack in the floor of the Arctic Ocean that extends north of Iceland that spews hit lava into the sea, All contribute to the changes in the climate.

              Still, that will not satisfy the far left until they can brainwash enough people to willingly give up their freedom for the false security of living in communes where their worth to the collective and their Progressive Masters will determine if they remain living or not.

              https://www.huffpost.com/entry/agend...ity-_b_1523118
              https://prepareforchange.net/2019/04...ation-by-2030/

              the uhhh, crack in the floor of the arctic ocean...….actually exists under Jan Mayen island...
              https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...23EC&FORM=VIRE
              The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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