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  • #16
    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

    San Francisco is not indicative of the state in general. It is a very dense urban area.

    Many cities already ban filling pools and even hot tubs there:

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2015/05/...ries-steaming/

    https://www.nbcnews.com/business/con...fornia-n333111

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/califor...ght-continues/


    Not many homes in San Francisco have pools, more hot tubs than pools.
    It doesn't get hot enough in SF to justify putting in a pool.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by pamak View Post

      I just gave you the fact that landscape is the important issue and that the average consumption you see in CA is high because lawn is still considered "sexy" in landscaping. SF is crowded and since there is little residential landscaping because of space limitations, this affects also the water consumption.
      Some cities ban alternatives like artificial turf

      http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/314592

      http://www.asgi.us/226/artificial-tu...ake-grass.html

      Most rainwater harvesting in California is banned, and that which you can do is seriously regulated.

      [COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 1)]In 2012, the State of California passed [/COLOR]Assembly Bill 1750[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 1)], which enacted the Rainwater Capture Act of 2012, making it legal to collect rainwater so long as in compliance with the California State Water Resources Board requirements. The Bill states that residential, commercial and governmental landowners may install, maintain, and operate rain barrel systems and rainwater capture systems for specified purposes.[/COLOR]
      https://worldwaterreserve.com/rainwa...ect-rainwater/

      http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...01120120AB1750

      Unlike in Arizona where a homeowner can install pretty much any rainwater catchment and retention system they want...

      Basically, California makes it hard to own and continue to use a pool at a residence.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

        Prior to that law I had an idea to sell kits to people living in high wildfire potential areas who had pools. The idea was to have kit that consisted of a pump, portable generator with about a 12 hour run time, connecting hoses, and a set of impact sprinklers and misters that you placed on your home (this part could be custom designed for your property and home) when a wildfire approached.
        The system would be designed to allow for about 8 to 10 hours of run time drawing water from your pool to wet your home and property while also providing a means to put out flying embers and prevent spontaneous combustion from heat the fire might give off.
        Packed in a portable box with instructions making assembly easy and relatively quick, the whole thing would sell for around $2500. Much cheaper than having your house burn to the ground.

        I know if I lived in an area like that, I'd put one together provided I had the water source, like a pool...

        But, at 55 gpd that ain't happening now.
        Great idea! When I lived on the mountain, I old have snapped up one of your kits in a heartbeat ...but alas no pool, but a good well so it would have been worth it.
        Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

          Some cities ban alternatives like artificial turf

          http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/314592

          http://www.asgi.us/226/artificial-tu...ake-grass.html

          Most rainwater harvesting in California is banned, and that which you can do is seriously regulated.



          https://worldwaterreserve.com/rainwa...ect-rainwater/

          http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...01120120AB1750

          Unlike in Arizona where a homeowner can install pretty much any rainwater catchment and retention system they want...

          Basically, California makes it hard to own and continue to use a pool at a residence.
          Unless you are planning to fill a pool by rainwater harvesting ( which makes zero sense) I do not see why you bring this issue into the conversation.
          My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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          • #20
            Originally posted by pamak View Post

            Unless you are planning to fill a pool by rainwater harvesting ( which makes zero sense) I do not see why you bring this issue into the conversation.
            Why are you being like this? They made a point and you are going in circles here.

            My argument would be; the limits are in place for a reason. I understand your argument, but where is the extra water supposed to come from?

            Yes, there are many silly laws and ideas in California, it flat-out sucks now but it will work itself out eventually.
            But, do you know what looks silly to me?
            These killer fires happen when the wing is really high, blowing like mad.
            And so, you are going to save your house.... with a sprinkler on top of the roof?

            For real?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Phaing View Post

              Why are you being like this? They made a point and you are going in circles here.

              My argument would be; the limits are in place for a reason. I understand your argument, but where is the extra water supposed to come from?

              Yes, there are many silly laws and ideas in California, it flat-out sucks now but it will work itself out eventually.
              But, do you know what looks silly to me?
              These killer fires happen when the wing is really high, blowing like mad.
              And so, you are going to save your house.... with a sprinkler on top of the roof?

              For real?
              What point did he make?

              He changed the subject from a system to protect homeowners from fires (which fits this thread regardless of what you think about the efficiency of the method) to rainwater harvesting. This is a completely different issue.

              If he wants to talk about what exactly silly laws exist in CA regarding rainwater harvesting this is a different topic. Just because he assumes that CA's regulations are silly does not mean they are.
              AZ's water conservation and rainwater harvesting tactics still lead to Tuscon having an average water consumption per day per capita of 112 gallons which is far below the average for AZ

              https://www.tucsonaz.gov/files/water/docs/homeowner.pdf

              Tucsonans are known for their strong environmental ethic and have a long and proud tradition of being water efficient. Our combined average daily residential water consumption (known as “per capita” water consumption—gallons per capita per day—gpcd) is generally less than 112 gallons. That’s far below average rates in other parts of Arizona and the western United States.

              Meanwhile, he found that the average numbers for CA are about 80 gallons per day per capita. It seems the CA water conservation tactics do make a difference.

              The problem with TAG is that he always tries to turn a conversation to a statement against CA's socialists policies. This is why I adopt this tone when I talk to him. There is a long history between us behind all this.

              p.s And I understand your argument. I am not debating his method. This is the type of reaction you see from people when they use their hose to spray water. on their property.
              Last edited by pamak; 15 Oct 19, 00:27.
              My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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