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    Trump the loser:

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/11/polit...ion/index.html

    President Donald Trump on Friday lost his appeal to stop a House subpoena of his tax documents from his longtime accountant Mazars USA

    In a 2-1 ruling, the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit upheld a lower court ruling saying the firm must turn over eight years of accounting records.

    It's the first major case at the appeals court level in the ongoing standoff between the House and Trump. The President has lost all of his challenges so far that have been decided at the trial court level to stop House subpoenas.

    Trump may appeal to the Supreme Court to stop Mazars, but courts including the Supreme Court previously have refused to curtail Congress' subpoena power.The appeals court broadly supported the House's power to subpoena information about Trump as it investigates him and considers laws in response, calling the subpoena "valid and enforceable."
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

  • #2
    Yep, just as I thought...

    An Obama appointee and a Clinton appointee rule against Trump while the Bush appointee rules in favor of him.

    Just the usual pattern in these cases.

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    • #3
      Wow! Killed this thread in an instant didn't I?

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      • #4
        Nope. Trump lost in court more than once today. His court record is terrible. By the way, anyone know who the head judge of the 2d US Court of Appeals is? Merritt Garland-ain't karma a bitch?

        For Trump, that's two strikes and no balls.

        Strike 1.https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

        A federal appeals court on Friday rejected President Donald Trump's bid to block a House committee subpoena for his income tax returns.

        The subpoena was issued earlier this year to Trump's accountants at Mazars USA by the House Committee on Oversight and Reform for his tax returns.

        A federal judge in Manhattan had denied Trump's effort to block the subpoena.

        Trump then appealed that ruling to the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit.

        That appeals court, in a 2-1 decision, upheld the lower court's ruling on Friday.

        Strike 2.https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/an...cid=spartandhp

        Another federal judge ruled against President Donald Trump’s unorthodox plan to use billions of dollars in federal funds to extend the wall on the Mexican border, despite Congress’ refusal to appropriate money for that purpose.

        El Paso, Texas-based U.S. District Court Judge David Briones’ Friday decision not only rejected the funding scheme, but went further than past rulings by specifically declaring “unlawful” an emergency proclamation Trump issued in February seeking to unlock money to fulfill one of his key campaign promises.
        We are not now that strength which in old days
        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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        • #5
          Another Clinton appointee...

          Curious how every ruling against Trump is by a judge appointed by Obama or Clinton. What are the odds that every case against him goes in front of an Obama or Clinton appointee?

          Of course, as I've also pointed out Obama and Clinton appointees have a horrible record of being pretty consistently overturned on their rulings...

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          • #6
            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...rns/sl-AAIpVQt

            A federal appeals court on Friday rejected President Donald Trump's bid to block a House committee subpoena for his income tax returns. – CNBC

            In a 2-1 ruling, the US Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit upheld Congress’s broad investigative powers and rejected the president’s bid to block lawmakers from subpoenaing the documents. - The Washington Post

            Now that the DC Circuit has ruled, Trump will almost certainly seek a stay of this decision from the Supreme Court. - Vox.com

            We are not now that strength which in old days
            Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
            Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
            To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
              Another Clinton appointee...

              Curious how every ruling against Trump is by a judge appointed by Obama or Clinton. What are the odds that every case against him goes in front of an Obama or Clinton appointee?

              Of course, as I've also pointed out Obama and Clinton appointees have a horrible record of being pretty consistently overturned on their rulings...
              You need to post evidence of this from a credible source. Otherwise, it is merely prejudiced opinion on your part.

              We are not now that strength which in old days
              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Massena View Post

                You need to post evidence of this from a credible source. Otherwise, it is merely prejudiced opinion on your part.
                I have posted evidence of it starting with Trump's travel ban and onward on this board. Feel free to peruse old posts for it because I'm not doing it again. I have consistently, since that early point in Trump's administration pointed out in case, after case, who appointed the judges. Right now it's running roughly 95% Obama / Clinton judges ruling against. I've seen a just a couple of Bush II and a Bush I and Reagan appointee otherwise.

                The original judge in this case ruling against Trump was

                Victor Marreno, appointed by Clinton

                As I pointed out this time, the appeals board for Trump's taxes consisted of three judges:

                Judge David Tatel, a Clinton appointee
                Judge Patricia Millett, an Obama appointee
                Judge Neomi Rao, a Trump appointee (dissenting)

                https://ballot-access.org/2019/10/11...urns-is-valid/

                The emolluents case in the 2nd Circuit is the same way:

                Judge John M. Walker, a Bush appointee (dissenting)
                Judge Pierre N. Leval, a Clinton appointee
                Judge Christopher F. Droney, a Obama appointee

                https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovemen...to-be-retried/

                It is a consistent and recurring pattern, and not just in the 2nd Circuit Court.




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                • #9
                  And, yet another one...

                  Another federal judge ruled against President Donald Trump’s unorthodox plan to use billions of dollars in federal funds to extend the wall on the Mexican border, despite Congress’ refusal to appropriate money for that purpose.
                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/an...cid=spartandhp
                  U.S. District Court Judge David Briones, a Clinton appointee...



                  I'll be honest, and say I really don't know what the score was with Obama, but the pattern is so obvious and so endemic with Trump it's worth noting. There is no way that Trump's actions could be nearly 100% wrong and always adjudged so by only Obama and Clinton appointees to the bench unless there was political, personal, or ideological influence on their decision making.

                  This is particularly true given the record of their decisions being consistently overturned by higher courts.
                  Last edited by T. A. Gardner; 11 Oct 19, 20:17.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                    And, yet another one...



                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/an...cid=spartandhp
                    U.S. District Court Judge David Briones, a Clinton appointee...




                    I'll be honest, and say I really don't know what the score was with Obama, but the pattern is so obvious and so endemic with Trump it's worth noting. There is no way that Trump's actions could be nearly 100% wrong and always adjudged so by only Obama and Clinton appointees to the bench unless there was political, personal, or ideological influence on their decision making.

                    This is particularly true given the record of their decisions being consistently overturned by higher courts.
                    Don't fretted it, the OP will never admit that politically appointed Judges make political decisions, he is in an utopian mind set, so forget it, it's useless!
                    Trying hard to be the Man, that my Dog believes I am!

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                    • #11
                      Well.....good. So now all Presidential Candidates and Presidents must release 8 years of their tax accounting information. I look forward to perusing next year's field of candidates......
                      Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Trung Si View Post

                        Don't fretted it, the OP will never admit that politically appointed Judges make political decisions, he is in an utopian mind set, so forget it, it's useless!
                        If you're going to make the accusation, again nothing but partisan party politics as your motivator, then provide proof of it. That you cannot do...
                        We are not now that strength which in old days
                        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                        • #13
                          Read 'em and weep:

                          https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/11/polit...rge/index.html
                          President Donald Trump has relentlessly pushed to build a border wall and tighten immigration restrictions. He's also fought efforts to acquire his tax returns.
                          On Friday, five federal courts rejected arguments by Trump and his administration on all three fronts.

                          It was a shocking day, as the President lost on both the personal front -- keeping his tax returns from congressional Democrats who might use them in their impeachment inquiry -- and on immigration, the policy area at the center of his agenda.

                          Here's a brief breakdown of the five rulings -- and one dissent: Tax returns -- DC Circuit Court of Appeals

                          In a 2-1 ruling, the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit rejected Trump's attempt to stop his accounting firm, Mazars USA, from turning over eight years of financial records to House Democrats.
                          It's a major loss in the President's efforts to refuse to cooperate with the impeachment probe. Trump and other Republicans argue the full House must vote to authorize the inquiry, but the court disagreed, writing that it has "no authority" to require the House to take a full vote in support of a subpoena to investigate the President, citing the Constitution.
                          The next stop could be the Supreme Court.
                          READ: Appeals court ruling on Trump tax returns
                          Border wall -- Western District of Texas


                          Judge David Briones said Trump's national emergency declaration to build a border wall is unlawful, and appears poised to block the use of those funds.
                          El Paso County, Texas, and the Border Network for Human Rights say Trump overstepped his authority when he issued the declaration to gain access to additional funds for his border wall, despite receiving $1.375 billion from Congress.
                          The ruling is limited, however, in that it applies only to the military construction funds that have been diverted for wall construction, not to other sources such as counterdrug funding and Treasury Forfeiture Funds.
                          Briones has requested that the plaintiffs propose the scope of a preliminary injunction.
                          READ: Ruling against national emergency funds for border wall

                          Immigration green card regulations -- Southern District of New York

                          Three federal judges blocked efforts to make it more difficult for immigrants who rely on public assistance to obtain legal status -- the so-called "public charge" rule.

                          The first ruling came from US District Judge George B. Daniels, who called it "repugnant to the American Dream."

                          "The rule is simply a new agency policy of exclusion in search of a justification," Daniels wrote.

                          Under the proposed rule, many green card and visa applicants could be turned down if they have low incomes or limited education because they'd be deemed more likely to need government assistance in the future, including most forms of Medicaid, food stamps and housing vouchers.

                          READ: 3 orders against Trump public charge rule

                          Immigration green card regulations -- Eastern District of Washington

                          In Spokane, Washington, Judge Rosanna Malouf Peterson was also unimpressed with the rule from the Department of Homeland Security.

                          "There are serious questions going to the merits regarding whether DHS has acted in an arbitrary and capricious manner in formulating the Public Charge Rule," Peterson wrote.

                          She suggested the department's proposal was based in an "unmooring from its Congressionally delegated authority."

                          Peterson also said states would see "a wide variety of predictable harms" to the health care system and the health of residents.

                          "The harms to children, including U.S. citizen children, from reduced access to medical care, food assistance, and housing support ... will compound over time," she wrote.

                          READ: 3 orders against Trump public charge rule

                          Immigration green card regulations -- Northern District of California

                          Not to be outdone, Judge Phyllis J. Hamilton invoked Emma Lazarus' iconic poem on the Statue of Liberty's pedestal in her ruling blocking the Public Charge rule.

                          It was a response to acting US Citizenship and Immigration Services Director Ken Cuccinelli, who tweaked the famous poem -- whose words, "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free," have long been associated with immigration to the US and the nation's history as a haven -- as part of his defense of the regulation in August.

                          Cuccinelli had said: "Give me your tired and your poor who can stand on their own two feet and who will not become a public charge."

                          Hamilton printed the poem in full, and added an admonishment, saying that "whether one would prefer to see America's borders opened wide and welcoming, or closed because the nation is full, laws -- not poetry -- govern who may enter."

                          READ: 3 orders against Trump public charge rule
                          And a friendly judge in DC

                          One bright spot for Trump came back in Washington, where Judge Neomi Rao dissented in the tax records case, blasting House Democrats in no uncertain terms as operating a personal inquiry against the President under the guise of legislative oversight.

                          "Allegations of illegal conduct against the President cannot be investigated by Congress except through impeachment," she wrote.

                          The 68-page dissent pressed on the separation of powers and rejected the majority's conclusion that the subpoena is a valid exercise of legislative power, saying that Congress' power to "investigate for legislative purposes" is "broad" but not "unlimited."

                          "Allowing the Committee to issue this subpoena for legislative purposes would turn Congress into a roving inquisition over a co-equal branch of government," Rao wrote.
                          Rao was appointed to the bench by President Donald Trump this year and took the former seat of Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh. She is a former clerk to Justice Clarence Thomas and like him looks to the original meaning of the Constitution when analyzing cases.

                          READ: Appeals court ruling on Trump tax returns



                          We are not now that strength which in old days
                          Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                          Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                          To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                          • #14
                            Trump the loser:

                            https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/11/polit...day/index.html

                            Five federal courts dealt blows to President Donald Trump on Friday just as the limits of his legal strategy to block an impeachment inquiry became clear.


                            It amounted to a challenging end of a challenging week for Trump, who remains consumed by an impeachment crisis that is clouding his presidency.

                            Within moments of each other, a career diplomat began painting a damning portrait of the President's foreign policy to lawmakers just as Trump lost his appeal in a federal appeals court to stop a House subpoena of his tax documents, which he's guarded fiercely since refusing to make them public as a candidate.

                            Then, in rapid succession, judges in New York, Texas, Washington state and California sided against Trump administration initiatives meant to limit immigrants from entering the country -- both through a physical barrier and by raising the requirements on migrants seeking legal status.
                            Friday night, the man in charge of executing much of Trump's immigration agenda, acting Homeland Security Secretary Kevin McAleenan, submitted his resignation to the President as the legal setbacks mounted. Long in the works, and by all accounts unrelated to the court decisions or the impeachment crisis, the move nonetheless fueled a sense of an administration in flux. McAleenan was the fourth person to serve in that post since the Trump presidency began.
                            All of the court cases will be appealed. But the rulings added to the sense of Trump's worsening legal fortunes, and Democratic investigations into his finances and foreign activity seemed to gain steam

                            We are not now that strength which in old days
                            Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                            Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                            To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                            • #15
                              Great system you got over there. Politicized and polarized to the bone, forever hating each other, and not a thing anyone's doing about it, just plodding along like mules with blinders, with not ever an original thought or normal discussion.
                              "For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return"

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