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  • What can be done about Chinese corporate vassals?

    The number of businesses that have sacrificed principle and essentially made themselves vassals of Chinese government intererest has been steadily growing for awhile and includes bigger and more prestigious institutions. Apple and Google have thoroughly abandoned their proclaimed liberal values in the name of collaborating with the government in rather unhumanitarian ways and now even the NBA sniveled and scraped when China took offense to a pro Hong Kong tweet, even as their new masters punished them anyway via censorship.

    I already don't watch NBA games or use Apple products. But I wonder what further actions can or should be taken by those who don't care for this. I wouldn't mind seeing the NBA get boycotted. Let them know that cowardice and groveling will cost them more than standing up to Beijing.
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    The NBA isn't a political or government entity. Nor do they have to hold liberal values or grovel to liberal demands.

    Boycotting to get someone to change their political views is also a form of censorship. We saw this happen with the NFL.

    Learn to deal with differing opinions. Crying every time someone does something you don't like isn't appropriate for what American society is supposed to stand for.
    Last edited by TactiKill J.; 10 Oct 19, 16:34.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Pirateship1982 View Post
      What can be done about Chinese corporate vassals?
      Short of leaving the WTO and rolling back free trade agreements - nothing. As long as it is cheaper to produce in China and ship to the US, these corporations will do as they are told in China rather than upset their business models. This isn't the first time corporations have put profits before values. In fact, it is their general modus operandi.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
        The NBA isn't a political or government entity. Nor do they have to hold liberal values or grovel to liberal demands.
        They claim to hold liberal values. That's the most annoying part of woke capitalists: hypocrisy.

        Boycotting to get someone to change their political views is also a form of censorship. We saw this happen with the NFL.
        Actually in this case political views aren't the main problem. We know the NBA isn't communist and that they are not becoming communist. Their hypocrisy given their branding is a nuisance but the problem is that their bowing and scraping before China represent a growing trend of subservience that presents security concerns at both the economic and national level. China wants a hegemony. Businesses who bow to them aid in that effortm

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        Learn to deal with differing opinions. Crying every time someone does something you don't like isn't appropriate for what American society is supposed to stand for.
        Actually, consumers voting with their wallets has been an American tradition since at least the run up to the Boston Tea Party. Boycotts have a long history.
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        • #5
          Conservatives have staged boycotts against Levi for sponsoring a black rapper.
          They boycotted the NFL over a few players kneeling.
          They boycotted Nike for sponsoring Kaep.
          They're supposedly boycotting the next little mermaid movie for casting a black Ariel.

          Where do we draw the line? At what point do these boycotts become a hindrance to our freedom? At what point do we say these are things that people just have to tolerate? To compare this nonsense to the Boston Tea Party should be insulting to all Americans.


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          • #6
            Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
            Conservatives have staged boycotts against Levi for sponsoring a black rapper.
            They boycotted the NFL over a few players kneeling.
            They boycotted Nike for sponsoring Kaep.
            They're supposedly boycotting the next little mermaid movie for casting a black Ariel.

            Where do we draw the line? At what point do these boycotts become a hindrance to our freedom? At what point do we say these are things that people just have to tolerate? To compare this nonsense to the Boston Tea Party should be insulting to all Americans.

            I don't find it insulting at all. You call yourself a libertarian, right? Do you as a libertarian believe that a government should be telling a business what to do? Submitting to China empowers that very thing. You're complaining about a private citizen riffing on a business. How do you feel about a government telling you "don't talk bad about us or else?" If we don't arrest the trend that could become a reality.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Pirateship1982 View Post

              I don't find it insulting at all. You call yourself a libertarian, right? Do you as a libertarian believe that a government should be telling a business what to do? Submitting to China empowers that very thing. You're complaining about a private citizen riffing on a business. How do you feel about a government telling you "don't talk bad about us or else?" If we don't arrest the trend that could become a reality.
              The race of the little mermaid is equivalent to taxation without representation? That's what this country has devolved into now?

              As a libertarian, what China does is none of my business. I cannot force their government to be less repressive. If someone wants to change that, it has to be the Chinese people, not myself and not the NBA.
              "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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              • #8
                Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

                The race of the little mermaid is equivalent to taxation without representation? That's what this country has devolved into now?

                As a libertarian, what China does is none of my business. I cannot force their government to be less repressive. If someone wants to change that, it has to be the Chinese people, not myself and not the NBA.
                Odd rebuttal. Where was I ever talking about The Little Mermaid?

                If you wish to enjoy a libertarian lifestyle you will have to take a stand on things. Otherwise you may find that liberty eroded by authoritarianism. You say that what China does is not your business but their government very much believes that what YOU do is THEIR business.

                Your indifference could very well cost you the value you are trying to preserve.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Pirateship1982 View Post

                  Odd rebuttal. Where was I ever talking about The Little Mermaid?
                  Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                  Conservatives have staged boycotts against Levi for sponsoring a black rapper.
                  They boycotted the NFL over a few players kneeling.
                  They boycotted Nike for sponsoring Kaep.
                  They're supposedly boycotting the next little mermaid movie for casting a black Ariel.

                  To compare this nonsense to the Boston Tea Party should be insulting to all Americans.
                  Originally posted by Pirateship1982 View Post

                  I don't find it insulting at all.
                  "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                  - Benjamin Franklin

                  The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Pirateship1982 View Post
                    If you wish to enjoy a libertarian lifestyle you will have to take a stand on things. Otherwise you may find that liberty eroded by authoritarianism. You say that what China does is not your business but their government very much believes that what YOU do is THEIR business.

                    Your indifference could very well cost you the value you are trying to preserve.
                    China cannot erode my freedom.

                    I do not want American businesses to bend to my will. I'm not going to boycott every company I disagree with. That's childish.

                    I don't agree with ChikFil A's political views. I still eat there. Why should I take a stand against them?

                    Liberty being eroded by authoritarianism:

                    Trump supporting red flag laws as a means of gun control

                    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/red-fla...eform-measure/

                    Take the guns first, worry about due process after

                    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ing/381145002/

                    Ban things you don't agree with.

                    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/11/h...mp-vaping.html

                    You want me to worry about China when the orange dictator right here in America is waging war against our liberties.



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                    • #11
                      The NBA boycotted states that had had laws preventing men from dressing in skirts and using the lady's room.
                      Sounds liberal to me
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                      • #12
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                          The NBA isn't a political or government entity. Nor do they have to hold liberal values or grovel to liberal demands.

                          Boycotting to get someone to change their political views is also a form of censorship. We saw this happen with the NFL.

                          Learn to deal with differing opinions. Crying every time someone does something you don't like isn't appropriate for what American society is supposed to stand for.
                          Seriously? So why is it still a favorite tactic for certain minority and gender groups? And why isn't also a crime fora Democratic Congress to refuse to go along with the government itself?

                          And as for crying every time something happens that you don't like? TDS ring any bells?

                          You might want to actually read the Constitution.
                          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                            Seriously? So why is it still a favorite tactic for certain minority and gender groups? And why isn't also a crime fora Democratic Congress to refuse to go along with the government itself?

                            And as for crying every time something happens that you don't like? TDS ring any bells?

                            You might want to actually read the Constitution.
                            ODS ring any bells? I create far less threads about Trump than you have about Obama.

                            I don't see minority groups boycotting movies over the race of a fictional character. Seems you need a dose of reality and wake up to all whining your side is doing over the most frivolous of things.
                            "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                            - Benjamin Franklin

                            The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

                              ODS ring any bells? I create far less threads about Trump than you have about Obama.

                              I don't see minority groups boycotting movies over the race of a fictional character. Seems you need a dose of reality and wake up to all whining your side is doing over the most frivolous of things.
                              TDS does. And no, you don't post less about Trump. You typically make everything abut Trump. The word Obama isn't even in my statement that you posted, so apparently it's a guilt trip of your part, as well as a blanket refusal to acknowledge that you expect a different and far more lenient standard for your Socialist Democratic Party members.

                              Put me on your ignore list...please.
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