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  • The Excuse for Selling Out the Kurds

    Trump's lack of any reasonable knowledge of history is outweighed only by his personal cowardice as a draft dodger:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

    As Turkey launched punishing airstrikes on Kurdish-held territory in northern Syria, President Donald Trump defended his decision to clear the way for the attack and played down the alliance with the Kurds, saying they did not fight alongside the United States in World War II.

    “They didn't help us in the Second World War, they didn't help us with Normandy as an example,” the president said, responding to questions about a bipartisan backlash over his decision Sunday to withdraw U.S. forces who have fought alongside the Kurds against ISIS. “That’s a different thing.”

    Following a phone call with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Sunday, Trump announced he was moving U.S. special forces from northern Syria where their presence had long served to deter attacks.

    Both Republican and Democratic lawmakers expressed outrage over the decision, saying it was a betrayal of staunch American allies.



  • #2
    Originally posted by Massena View Post
    Trump's lack of any reasonable knowledge of history is outweighed only by his personal cowardice as a draft dodger:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

    As Turkey launched punishing airstrikes on Kurdish-held territory in northern Syria, President Donald Trump defended his decision to clear the way for the attack and played down the alliance with the Kurds, saying they did not fight alongside the United States in World War II.

    “They didn't help us in the Second World War, they didn't help us with Normandy as an example,” the president said, responding to questions about a bipartisan backlash over his decision Sunday to withdraw U.S. forces who have fought alongside the Kurds against ISIS. “That’s a different thing.”

    Following a phone call with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Sunday, Trump announced he was moving U.S. special forces from northern Syria where their presence had long served to deter attacks.

    Both Republican and Democratic lawmakers expressed outrage over the decision, saying it was a betrayal of staunch American allies.

    By the way, Turkey did not fight along the allies in WWII

    Turkey fought against the allies in WWI though...
    My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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    • #3
      Amazing, isn't it?

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      • #4
        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=spartanntp

        A member of U.S.
        Special Forces
        serving alongside the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) in
        Syria
        told Fox News' Jennifer Griffin on Wednesday they were witnessing
        Turkish
        atrocities on the frontlines.

        “I am ashamed for the first time in my career,” said the distraught soldier, who has been involved in the training of indigenous forces on multiple continents. The service member, whom Griffin described as "hardened," is among the 1,000 or so U.S. troops who remain in Syria.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Massena View Post
          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=spartanntp

          A member of U.S.
          Special Forces
          serving alongside the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) in
          Syria
          told Fox News' Jennifer Griffin on Wednesday they were witnessing
          Turkish
          atrocities on the frontlines.

          “I am ashamed for the first time in my career,” said the distraught soldier, who has been involved in the training of indigenous forces on multiple continents. The service member, whom Griffin described as "hardened," is among the 1,000 or so U.S. troops who remain in Syria.
          What exactly are the atrocities that this serviceman apparently witnessed? The story was published yesterday, but the ground attack only began last night. Plus, all US serviceman had already been pulled back from anywhere near the border, so I am confused how this serviceman could have witnessed anything other than a few bombing raids seen from a distance.


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          • #6
            I would say the atrocity is the selling out of the Kurds by Trump. That's the first one. Perhaps if you keep track of what's going on you might find more.

            Last evening on the news it showed Kurdish civilians running as their towns were being bombed and shelled. That's an atrocity and a war crime if it is deliberate, and it certainly appears so.

            From the article shown in the below posting, which also names Trump as being complicit in the Turkish actions:

            'As Turkish planes pounded Kurdish positions from the air and with artillery, CNN reporters on the ground in Syria reported smoke billowing from several large explosions as desperate civilians -- women, children and men -- fled the area on foot, some pushing others in wheelchairs, many crammed into the back of pickup trucks.'

            'With humanitarian groups reporting the bombardment could displace as many as 300,000 people, Erdogan's top adviser told CNN's Christiane Amanpour that Trump knew in advance about the scope of the Turkish attack.''

            '"President Trump and President Erdogan have reached an understanding over precisely what this operation is," Gulnur Aybet said from Ankara on Wednesday. "He knows what the scope of this operation is."'

            'The news trickling out of Syria fed increasing Republican anger, as lawmakers, former officials and analysts reacted throughout the day, and the US military stayed conspicuously silent.'

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            • #7
              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

              Republicans savaged President Donald Trump Wednesday for allowing Turkey to
              attack US allies
              in Syria as the President offered varying reasons for giving Turkey the green light, including the fact that
              Kurds
              did not fight alongside the US in World War II.

              Turkey launched its military operation to flush Kurds allied with the US out of northeastern Syria sparking outrage in Congress, creating rare bipartisan unity about the risks to the Kurds, US national security interests, regional stability and the fight against ISIS.

              Trump apparently gave Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan the go-ahead on Sunday to proceed with his long-planned move against Kurdish fighters who make up part of the Syrian Defense Forces and who lost thousands of men fighting with the US against ISIS.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Massena View Post
                Last evening on the news it showed Kurdish civilians running as their towns were being bombed and shelled. That's an atrocity and a war crime if it is deliberate, and it certainly appears so.
                So, if deliberately bombing an enemy held town is an atrocity and a war crime, what does that make the US/Coalition bombing of Raqqah where thousands of civilians were living? Regardless, the "news" report said US servicemen witnessed, i.e saw with their own eyes, atrocities being committed "on the frontlines". There are no US servicemen "on the frontlines" and fighting "on the frontlines" only began last night. So again, all they could have witnessed was bombing from a distance.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Skoblin View Post
                  So, if deliberately bombing an enemy held town is an atrocity and a war crime, what does that make the US/Coalition bombing of Raqqah where thousands of civilians were living? Regardless, the "news" report said US servicemen witnessed, i.e saw with their own eyes, atrocities being committed "on the frontlines". There are no US servicemen "on the frontlines" and fighting "on the frontlines" only began last night. So again, all they could have witnessed was bombing from a distance.
                  I assume that small drones will be also used to monitor the situation...
                  My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by pamak View Post
                    I assume that small drones will be also used to monitor the situation...
                    "We witnessed non-specified atrocities being committed at a place where we are not located, and at a time when fighting had not yet broken out".
                    End of story.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Skoblin View Post
                      "We witnessed non-specified atrocities being committed at a place where we are not located, and at a time when fighting had not yet broken out".
                      End of story.
                      Unfortunately, the story is just beginning...

                      Are you supporting Trump's selling out of the Kurds and allowing the attack by the Turks, who are targeting civilians?

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                      • #12
                        Erdogan, the Turkish dictator, has reported that 109 'terrorists' have been killed by the Turks in northern Syria. By that he means Kurds. And he is threatening Europe with releasing ISIS prisoners as well as stating that this operation is not an 'invasion.'

                        Thank you very much President Trump-this is your handiwork.

                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=spartandhp

                        Turkey's president says that there have been 109 "terrorists killed" — a reference to Syrian Kurdish fighters — since Ankara launched an offensive into Syria the previous day.

                        Recep Tayyip Erdogan did not elaborate and the reports on the ground did not indicate anything remotely close to such a large number of casualties.

                        Erdogan also warned the European Union not to call Ankara's incursion into Syria an 'invasion,' and renewed his threat of letting Syrian refugees flood Europe.

                        He reiterated an earlier statement that Turkey could "open the gates" for an influx of Syrian migrants to Europe.

                        Erdogan spoke to ruling party officials on Thursday, saying Turkey seeks to prevent the creation of a "terror state" along its border with Syria.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Massena View Post
                          Unfortunately, the story is just beginning...
                          Are you supporting Trump's selling out of the Kurds and allowing the attack by the Turks, who are targeting civilians?
                          What a lovely bullshit way of presenting a question.

                          a. the story you quoted was clearly disinformative BS
                          b. there is no evidence yet of the Turks deliberately targeting civilians
                          c. the US was always going to sell out the Kurds because the Turks have always said they will not countenance an independent Kurdish state on its border and the US will not risk a direct military conflict with a fellow NATO member
                          d. the US only supported the Kurds because they saw them as a further tool for overthrowing Assad and seizing the Syrian oil fields in eastern Syria; the moment the Kurds outlived their usefulness they would be dropped - as has occurred several times before.
                          e. the 'poor Kurds' are currently occupying large swathes of Syrian territory inhabited by non-Kurds and have been busy suppressing demonstrations and forcing non-Kurds to serve in Kurdish military forces.
                          f. the Kurdish leadership, as was the case in Afrin, have had several years to accept an agreement with the Syrian government which offered some degree of Kurdish self-rule and even Kurdish police and self-defense units.
                          g. the Kurds have been warned from the very beginning that an alliance with the US would only be in the US interests and any agreement or 'alliance' would only last as long as it was beneficial to the US.
                          h. If Clinton was in power, the Kurds would still be screwed - the media, however, would be falling over themselves trying to find ways to justify it.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Skoblin View Post
                            What a lovely bullshit way of presenting a question.

                            a. the story you quoted was clearly disinformative BS
                            b. there is no evidence yet of the Turks deliberately targeting civilians
                            c. the US was always going to sell out the Kurds because the Turks have always said they will not countenance an independent Kurdish state on its border and the US will not risk a direct military conflict with a fellow NATO member
                            d. the US only supported the Kurds because they saw them as a further tool for overthrowing Assad and seizing the Syrian oil fields in eastern Syria; the moment the Kurds outlived their usefulness they would be dropped - as has occurred several times before.
                            e. the 'poor Kurds' are currently occupying large swathes of Syrian territory inhabited by non-Kurds and have been busy suppressing demonstrations and forcing non-Kurds to serve in Kurdish military forces.
                            f. the Kurdish leadership, as was the case in Afrin, have had several years to accept an agreement with the Syrian government which offered some degree of Kurdish self-rule and even Kurdish police and self-defense units.
                            g. the Kurds have been warned from the very beginning that an alliance with the US would only be in the US interests and any agreement or 'alliance' would only last as long as it was beneficial to the US.
                            h. If Clinton was in power, the Kurds would still be screwed - the media, however, would be falling over themselves trying to find ways to justify it.
                            Apply the 'bullshit' application to your response which is nothing more than support of Trump's egregious new 'policy.' And you have not supported your opinions with any source material from any source at all. Your 'opinions' above are conjecture, imagination, and unsupported supposition. Get a grip-and get some sources. Otherwise it is just uninformed opinion. And you are entitled to your own opinions, but not to your own facts.

                            1.https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...7x?ocid=msn360

                            President Trump’s decision to suddenly withdraw U.S. troops from northern Syria has angered evangelical Christian leaders and Republican hawks, cleaving his political coalition at the very moment he is trying to fortify his standing to survive the intensifying impeachment inquiry in Congress.

                            Instead of enjoying uncontested GOP support as he plunges into a constitutional showdown with House Democrats and prepares for a bruising reelection campaign, Trump is now fighting on two fronts within his party.

                            The president simultaneously has been laboring to silence dissent over his conduct in pressing Ukraine to investigate a domestic political rival and over his Syria decision — a move critics blame for Wednesday’s Turkish offensive.

                            2.https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ria/sl-AAIp6Rh

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Massena View Post
                              Erdogan, the Turkish dictator, has reported that 109 'terrorists' have been killed by the Turks in northern Syria. By that he means Kurds. And he is threatening Europe with releasing ISIS prisoners as well as stating that this operation is not an 'invasion.'
                              Please explain where in the article it is stated that Erdogan is threatening Europe with releasing ISIS prisoners. The article states that he is threatening to flood Europe with Syrian refugees, you know, the people who fled ISIS...

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