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  • US clears the way for Turkey to fight the Kurds in Syria

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49956698

    The US will step aside for an imminent Turkish operation against Kurdish-led forces in north-eastern Syria, the White House has said, in a major shift.

    Turkey wants to clear Kurdish militiamen - whom it regards as terrorists - away from the border.

    The Turks would become responsible for all Islamic State (IS) group prisoners in the area, the US statement said.

    Kurdish YPG fighters have until now received strong support from the US, which has hundreds of troops in Syria.

    In January,
    President Trump threatened to "devastate Turkey economically" if it attacked Kurdish forces following a planned US pullout from Syria.

    As usual, Trump was "crystal clear" that he would devastate Turkey economically if it attacked Kurdish forces in Syria

    As usual, Trump shows that he is a "crystal clear liar"

    There is one exception though: This is when he said that there was no quid pro quo to get Ukrainian opposition research against Biden and his son
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  • #2
    This is wrong. Leaving an ally out to dry is typical of Trump but is not worthy of the United States.

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    • #3
      This Trump betrayal comes after Kurd's removed their fortifications in near Turkish border. They were assured that US would prevent Turkish invasion if they did so.

      Now after they did that Trump opens door for Turkey to ethnically cleanse area of Kurd's. Turkey has already done it in Afrin now it is going to happen in east of Euphrates.
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      • #4
        The bottom line here is that Trump cannot be trusted by anyone.

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        • #5
          Once again America abandons its allies but then whats new, you have done it many times before so why stop now.......and you wonder why nobody in the world trusts you.....I guess Trumps bone spurs where acting up.........

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          • #6
            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=spartandhp

            Convoys of American military personnel began pulling back from the Syria-Turkey border, after President Trump ordered the Pentagon to clear the way for Ankara to launch an offensive against Kurdish fighters, in the latest sign of his desire for a diminished role in the Middle East.

            Kurdish fighters, who spearheaded the U.S.-campaign against Islamic State, have warned of all-out war with Turkey in northeastern Syria, where more than 70,000 Islamic State fighters and their families are held.

            As the Turkish military prepared to enter Syria and seize border areas from the U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces, the Kurdish-led group vowed to fight “at all costs.”


            “We in the SDF will not hesitate for a moment to defend ourselves and we call on our people of all sects and ethnicities…to close ranks with their legitimate forces to defend our country against this Turkish aggression,” the group said.

            Washington and Ankara have been trying for months to work out a deal to create a kind of buffer zone along the Turkey-Syria border. Negotiations faltered, prompting Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to set the stage for a new military operation.

            On Monday morning, Mr. Trump defended his decision in a series of tweets.

            “I held off this fight for almost 3 years, but it is time for us to get out of these ridiculous Endless Wars, many of them tribal, and bring our soldiers home,” he wrote. “WE WILL FIGHT WHERE IT IS TO OUR BENEFIT, AND ONLY FIGHT TO WIN. Turkey, Europe, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Russia and the Kurds will now have to figure the situation out.”

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            • #7
              There are Turkish Kurds that proudly serve the Turkish armed forces. Their are a variety of Kurds in the world some support Turkey others do not.
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              • #8
                The Kurds are not who people think they are.

                The Kurds participate in the Armenian genocide. Arguably an act of racism not religious bigotry. The distinction is important because race or ethnicity are immutable characteristics. If you distinguish yourself by race there is very little room for compromise or full participation in the wider community and conflict is more difficult to avoid.

                The main rebel group fighting Turkey is the PKK a communist Kurdish party. Considering the history of communism siding with a communist group is little better than siding with Nazis. Perhaps it could be justified as it was during WWII when the West was allied with the mass murder Stalin because like the Nazis ISIS was a more immediate threat but it will similarly come back to haunt you.

                In October of 2017 the Kurds in Iraq launched a rebellion against the Iraqi government. A conflict that the Turkish PKK participated in. A strange coalition emerged in which Iran, Turkey and Iraq supported military action against the Kurds. The government's in the region other than Israel see the Kurds as a destabilizing force. Subsequent events demonstrate that there is no hope for an independent Kurdistan in the foreseeable future with all the players adamantly opposed. The U.S. and it's Western allies are for all intents and purposes powerless to change the reality that the Kurds will not achieve independence. Like so many other Middle Eastern problems continued conflict seems unavoidable. The only possible solution is for liberal democracy to come to dominate the region but even the Kurds oppose that option.

                The Obama doctrine that U.S. involvement in the Middle East only made things worse was begrudgingly abandoned 6 years into his presidency with little criticism from the press. The U.S. withdrawal from Iraq however could only be reversed to a limited extent for political reasons. Those 6 years of limited involvement assured that the Kurdish conflict would continue indefinitely and there was little subsequent administrations would be able to do about it. There was a small window of opportunity to help the Kurds but the Bush and Obama administrations passed on it in pursuit of wider objectives. It is hypocritical to place the blame for the Kurdish troubles at the feet of Trump when the actions of previous administration left him with few options. Obama's contribution to continued sectarian violence cannot be Ignored.

                Trump is keeping his long held promise to withdraw from Syria. If the Globalist in France and Germany as well as their allies in the U.S. were concerned about the Kurds they had plenty of time to take action. Keep in mind Turkey is a NATO member. Obama and the European governments could have kicked Turkey out if the inevitable conflict with the Kurds was a major concern. As it is Trump has no choice but to get out of the way of NATO member if the other members refuse to take decisive action.


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
                  The Kurds are not who people think they are.

                  The Kurds participate in the Armenian genocide. Arguably an act of racism not religious bigotry. The distinction is important because race or ethnicity are immutable characteristics. If you distinguish yourself by race there is very little room for compromise or full participation in the wider community and conflict is more difficult to avoid.

                  The main rebel group fighting Turkey is the PKK a communist Kurdish party.Considering the history of communism siding with a communist group is little better than siding with Nazis. Perhaps it could be justified as it was during WWII when the West was allied with the mass murder Stalin because like the Nazis ISIS was a more immediate threat but it will similarly come back to haunt you.

                  In October of 2017 the Kurds in Iraq launched a rebellion against the Iraqi government. A conflict that the Turkish PKK participated in. A strange coalition emerged in which Iran, Turkey and Iraq supported military action against the Kurds. The government's in the region other than Israel see the Kurds as a destabilizing force. Subsequent events demonstrate that there is no hope for an independent Kurdistan in the foreseeable future with all the players adamantly opposed. The U.S. and it's Western allies are for all intents and purposes powerless to change the reality that the Kurds will not achieve independence. Like so many other Middle Eastern problems continued conflict seems unavoidable. The only possible solution is for liberal democracy to come to dominate the region but even the Kurds oppose that option.

                  The Obama doctrine that U.S. involvement in the Middle East only made things worse was begrudgingly abandoned 6 years into his presidency with little criticism from the press. The U.S. withdrawal from Iraq however could only be reversed to a limited extent for political reasons. Those 6 years of limited involvement assured that the Kurdish conflict would continue indefinitely and there was little subsequent administrations would be able to do about it. There was a small window of opportunity to help the Kurds but the Bush and Obama administrations passed on it in pursuit of wider objectives. It is hypocritical to place the blame for the Kurdish troubles at the feet of Trump when the actions of previous administration left him with few options. Obama's contribution to continued sectarian violence cannot be Ignored.

                  Trump is keeping his long held promise to withdraw from Syria. If the Globalist in France and Germany as well as their allies in the U.S. were concerned about the Kurds they had plenty of time to take action. Keep in mind Turkey is a NATO member. Obama and the European governments could have kicked Turkey out if the inevitable conflict with the Kurds was a major concern. As it is Trump has no choice but to get out of the way of NATO member if the other members refuse to take decisive action.

                  Baseless claim. Quick look reveals that wiki page has note [citation needed].

                  PKK now is linked to communism as much as Russia.

                  By the way, the US has not formally recognized the Armenian genocide. What type of act is that?

                  There is a difference between claiming that the US is "powerless" to help the Kurds and the US inviting Turkey to attack them


                  You mean the Bush doctrine in the ME.

                  There is a difference between withdrawing troops and encouraging Turkey to fight the Kurds. Doing the latter does not mean that Trump is keeping his promise to do the former

                  In any case, Trump knew about the Kurds when he was crystal clear that he would devastate Turkey economically if the latter initiated action against them




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                  • #10
                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

                    President Donald Trump's sudden decision to pull back U.S. troops from northern Syria drew quick criticism Monday from some of his closest allies in Congress as well as Kurdish fighters who would essentially be abandoned to face a likely Turkish assault after fighting alongside American forces against the Islamic State.

                    The announcement threw the military situation in Syria into fresh chaos and injected deeper uncertainty into U.S. relations with European allies. Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham called it "a disaster," while Syria's Kurds accused the U.S. of turning its back on allies and risking gains made in the yearslong fight against ISIS.

                    Trump defended the move in a series of tweets, acknowledging that "the Kurds fought with us," but adding that they "were paid massive amounts of money and equipment to do so."

                    "I held off this fight for almost 3 years, but it is time for us to get out of these ridiculous Endless Wars, many of them tribal, and bring our soldiers home," he wrote, adding, in all capital letters, that "We will fight where it is to our benefit, and only fight to win."

                    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has threatened for months to launch a military operation across the Syrian border. He views the Kurdish forces as a threat to his country. Both Republicans and Democrats in the U.S. have warned that allowing the Turkish attack could lead to a massacre of the Kurds and send a troubling message to American allies across the globe.

                    U.S. troops "will not support or be involved in the operation" and "will no longer be in the immediate area," in northern Syria, White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said in an unusual late-Sunday statement that was silent on the fate of the Kurds.

                    This betrayal of US allies is both monstrous and pathetic. Trump will have blood on his hands if the Turks attack the Kurds.

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                    • #11
                      Here is what you need to know about the Kurds being abandoned.

                      In 1975 Henry Kissinger abandoned the Kurds in their uprising against Saddam.

                      Ronald Reagan ignored the Iraqi use of chemical weapons against the Kurds by Saddam.

                      Obama refuse to help while Kobane was overrun by ISIS.

                      Hillary Clinton supported the war in Iraq but abandoned the Kurds when Obama withdrew.

                      Worst than the hypocrisy we now see concerning Trump's supposed abandonment of the Kurds the left set the stage for Turkey to invade Syria. Were it not for the Trump Russia conspiracy theory President Trump would have more leverage with Turkey. As it is anything Trump could do to control Turkey would be used against him by the corrupt Media and their Democratic co-conspirators as proof Trump secretly supports the Russian.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
                        Here is what you need to know about the Kurds being abandoned.

                        In 1975 Henry Kissinger abandoned the Kurds in their uprising against Saddam.

                        Ronald Reagan ignored the Iraqi use of chemical weapons against the Kurds by Saddam.

                        Obama refuse to help while Kobane was overrun by ISIS.

                        Hillary Clinton supported the war in Iraq but abandoned the Kurds when Obama withdrew.

                        Worst than the hypocrisy we now see concerning Trump's supposed abandonment of the Kurds the left set the stage for Turkey to invade Syria. Were it not for the Trump Russia conspiracy theory President Trump would have more leverage with Turkey. As it is anything Trump could do to control Turkey would be used against him by the corrupt Media and their Democratic co-conspirators as proof Trump secretly supports the Russian.
                        There is a difference between not ordering US troops to fight and help the Kurds and openly give the green light to a country that wants to attack the Kurds a few months after specifically warning Turkey not to attack them. From the above examples, Reagan''s approach of deliberately avoiding condemning Iraq's use of chemical weapons against Iran and the Kurds was indeed much worse. But certainly, it is not Trump's critics the ones who worship Reagan.
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                        • #13
                          Very bad decision .

                          Kurds has to join Syrian - Russian camp probably .

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Massena View Post
                            This is wrong. Leaving an ally out to dry is typical of Trump but is not worthy of the United States.
                            First, I think Poland and the Czech republic might have something to say about being left out to dry too.
                            https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ng-Poland.html

                            Second, I do believe that we owe something to the Kurds and should do what we can to prevent the Turks from attacking them, but
                            are there any good choices?
                            Curiously, even Susan Rice seems to agree that there were no good options. Though she takes issue with how trump handled things.

                            https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...policy/599296/

                            Regardless, how do we protect the Kurds without keeping significant forces in Syria in the middle of its civil war?
                            I never thought we shoud have troops there in the first place regardless of who is president.
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                            • #15
                              Turkey teeters on brink of recession. Some sanctions would do the trick.
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