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  • The Cost of Trump's Vanity Wall...

    This is just plain wrong. So much for Trump's 'concern' for the armed forces...

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/to...cid=spartandhp

    When Hurricane Maria struck Puerto Rico two years ago, it smashed through the National Guard training base here, sending the plaques that Maj. Gen. Josť J. Reyes gathered over his U.S. Army career into the howl of an unforgiving wind.

    The base, known as Camp Santiago, emerged from the storm much like the rest of the island: damaged, shocked and determined to recover against dim economic odds.

    So when Reyes helped secure $331.5 million for the base from the Pentagon’s treasured construction budget, officials thought Maria’s clouds had come with a silver lining.

    The money would not only rebuild Camp Santiago. Now, for the first time, an island that regularly sends its men and women to war for the United States would get a modern, hurricane-proof training ground for its guard.

    Or so Puerto Rico thought.

    Early this month, the Pentagon announced that 127 military construction projects approved by Congress would be defunded under emergency authorities to free up $3.6 billion for President Trump’s border barrier on the southern border with Mexico. Among the shelved construction projects: plans to rebuild Camp Santiago.

    For Reyes, the adjutant general of the Puerto Rico National Guard, the news was a crushing disappointment. He said the National Guard leadership in Washington assured him that Congress would take up the projects again. Reyes is hopeful but uncertain.

    “There’s no guarantee in life,” he said, leavening his discouragement with a dash of fatalism. “Eventually we will die. That’s the only guarantee in life.”

    The defunding of the Puerto Rico project comes as the Trump administration considers diverting billions more in military funding to pay for barrier construction next year. The president has pledged to complete nearly 500 miles of new barrier by the 2020 election, a goal that will require a total of $18.4 billion in funding through next year.

    Hurricane Maria damaged or ruined 60 percent of the buildings at Camp Santiago. Workers have already razed the headquarters building and mess halls that the storm mangled beyond repair. Down the road, the maintenance garage’s doors don’t close because the wind twisted them out of shape. The roof on one maintenance bay still looks like a loosely shuffled deck of cards. Some guardsmen preparing to go to war are training elsewhere because the storm halved the base’s capacity. One engineering battalion, deploying to Afghanistan next year, trained in North Dakota.

    Officially, the Trump administration says the 127 projects the Pentagon has defunded for the wall have been “deferred” rather than canceled. For the projects to proceed, however, Congress must once again appropriate funding for them, a process the administration calls “backfilling.”

    The Republican-led Senate has agreed to backfill the $3.6 billion worth of projects in its version of the annual defense policy bill. But Democrats, who control the House of Representatives, have refused to re-appropriate money for projects that Congress has already funded.


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    Here is the thing that gets me; it does not matter how much the stupid thing costs; unless the whole thing is built it is ALL was waste of money!

    A wall is only stopping people if there is not way around it. What good is it if they can just walk through 1,000 miles of open range?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Phaing View Post
      Here is the thing that gets me; it does not matter how much the stupid thing costs; unless the whole thing is built it is ALL was waste of money!

      A wall is only stopping people if there is not way around it. What good is it if they can just walk through 1,000 miles of open range?
      Not true. In many areas, a partial wall negates or makes the easy paths of entry extremely difficult. This means that those wishing to enter now have to make far more effort to do so over paths and areas that are less accessible and more difficult to traverse.
      There are several pro-illegal immigrant groups in Arizona that make this point regularly as a negative. That is, they say because of increased walls illegals will be crossing inhospitable desert, an Air Force bombing range, etc., and more will die.
      Well too bad for them.

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      • #4
        Don't worry. Mexico will pay for it.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Duncan View Post
          Don't worry. Mexico will pay for it.
          They will in one sense... They'll be stuck with lots more illegals coming from Central America who can't easily enter the US...

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          • #6
            Keep thinking that. The wall effort is a waste of time, manpower, and money-money that is being taken away from the Defense Department. So much for 'rebuilding' the armed forces.

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            • #7
              The wall like the Vietnam war are viewed in too narrow a context. Winning hearts and minds has an "evil" twin intimidation and logic. Those that are inclined to be your cultural antagonists will never be sympathetic to your traditions and laws. Just as Vietnam was a symbol of the U.S. commitment to stopping the spread of communism in the Soviet era the wall is a symbol of the U.S. commitment to stopping the spread of communism's stepchild of equity, diversity, and inclusion in the current era.

              The lawlessness we see in Venezuela today is a direct result of the new democratic socialism that equity, diversity and inclusion unavoidably leads to. This spreading secular religion has been active in Central and South America for a very long time and has even infiltrated religious institutions under the guise of liberation theology. Although the disease has a strong presence in our neighbor to the north Canada has a tradition of law and order Central and South American countries have never been able to emulate. The nepotism and other corruption so prevalent in Latin America lends itself to lawlessness even under the authoritarian governmental structures that are the norm. The

              Just as the Vietnam war was a step down the path of defeating the Soviet Union the wall is a step towards defeating equity, diversity and inclusion and it's inherent anarchy. It took many decades for the Soviet Union to collapse and it will take many decades to defeat equity, diversity and inclusion. The wall as a symbol of commitment is indispensable in achieving that goal. Not until our neighbors to the South accept the rule of law and individual sovereignty in place of collective rights can the walls come down.



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              • #8
                There is no correlation between the war in Vietnam and building a wall as a personal tribute to a demagogue.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Massena View Post
                  There is no correlation between the war in Vietnam and building a wall as a personal tribute to a demagogue.
                  There is no correlation between that statement and reality either. A wall as a deterrent makes perfect sense. Doing nothing makes no sense.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Duncan View Post
                    Don't worry. Mexico will pay for it.
                    The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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                    • #11
                      An off topic post by OttoHarkaman was removed.
                      Address the post and not the poster.
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