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  • marktwain
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    Originally posted by Phaing View Post

    Summed up my post in one word there, didn't you?

    I'll take that as a lesson on how to post here.
    Nope
    Odder feller

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  • Phaing
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    Originally posted by marktwain View Post

    It's important, Massena, to keep in mind who you are responding to. Sometimes, "whatever' is an appropriate response...
    Summed up my post in one word there, didn't you?

    I'll take that as a lesson on how to post here.

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  • Massena
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    More white supremacist hate:

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/21/us/wh...soh/index.html

    When the torrent of hate first hit, Taylor Dumpson curled into a fetal position and rocked herself, unable to speak.
    Next, she made sure she was never alone in case the people who'd hung bananas in nooses and berated her online decided to attack her in person.

    "I was terrified. I didn't know who these people were. I didn't know where they were. I didn't know if they were coming to find me," Dumpson told CNN in an exclusive television interview.

    And finally, she decided to fight back.
    Not with threats of her own or joining in the vitriol, but suing for justice. Her quest to challenge the anonymous trolls led to something no one predicted: A personal apology.

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  • Massena
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    More right wing hate:

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/19/us/ne...ear/index.html
    As the rock was smashed into his face, the attacker's words hit Rabbi Avraham Gopin almost as hard. "He said 'Jew, Jew'," Gopin recalled in an interview with WCBS, a CNN affiliate. "It was hate," the rabbi added. The attack broke his nose and knocked out two teeth.
    Gopin, 63, had gone out to get some fresh air in a park in the Crown Heights neighborhood of Brooklyn, New York, late last month, when someone came up and began punching him. When Gopin tried to defend himself, the attacker hit him in the face with a rock.


    A 26-year-old man was arrested and charged with assault as a hate crime, as well as criminal possession of a weapon.

    Gopin's ordeal was one of a growing number of anti-Semitic hate crimes reported across the country. In New York City this year, anti-Semitic hate crimes are already up 63% compared with 2018, the city's police department said. Nationally, anti-Semitic incidents in 2018 were at near-historic levels, according to the Anti-Defamation League (ADL).Last year had the third-highest totals for assault, harassment and vandalism against Jews, since the ADL started tracking in 1979.
    While most of the reported anti-Semitic crimes in New York are acts of vandalism -- such as swastikas scrawled on synagogues -- many in the Orthodox Jewish community are worried about more violent personal attacks.


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  • Massena
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    Originally posted by marktwain View Post

    It's important, Massena, to keep in mind who you are responding to. Sometimes, "whatever' is an appropriate response...
    You are absolutely correct. Well done.

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  • G David Bock
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post

    And that proves what? That you can label people with a pejorative comment because you don't agree with them? Well done.
    Please look in the mirror with regards to pejorative comments used by anti-Trumpers towards alleged "Trumpsters" ~
    hint, hint,

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  • marktwain
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post

    And that proves what? That you can label people with a pejorative comment because you don't agree with them? Well done.
    It's important, Massena, to keep in mind who you are responding to. Sometimes, "whatever' is an appropriate response...

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  • marktwain
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    Originally posted by walle View Post

    The far right do not control academia and the school system, so no, they are not nearly as dangerous. Not even conservatives are in control, which is unfortunate.

    I can only speak for myself when I say that I've never met any white supremacist i.e. white person who wanted to rule over other races.

    Neither the far right (let alone conservatives) are waging war on their own nations and the constitution, let alone protesting freedom of speech.

    As for communism and Socialism those two ideologies have done tremendous damage.



    Leftard is a play on retarded, retarded as in pulled back, as in pulled back in your thinking. It describes the left rather well.
    Ohhhh, walle. What planet do you dial this stuff in from?

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  • walle
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post
    That you can label people with a pejorative comment because you don't agree with them? Well done.
    ...and this is exactly what the leftards will always resort to, just look at debates between them and conservatives.

    Originally posted by Massena View Post
    The far right, such as white supremacists and neo-Nazis are most certainly 'waging war on the own nations'
    Like I said, I've never met a white supremacist who wanted to rule over other races (hence supremacist), as for National Socialists they waged war on other nations.

    Originally posted by Massena View Post
    Why are you supporting them?
    I've never voiced any support for either communists, socialists, or fascists.


    The left has always waged war on their own nations thou, at times killing millions of their own people in the process.


    Fascism.
    Fascism is neither inherently left or right, Fascism is the merger of government and commercial enterprise, with the government in total control. The government owns the means of production, or colludes heavily with major corporations to impose government control.

    That's what Fascism is.

    Get the image of goosestepping Germans/Prussians and Russians and Italians out of your head, none of that is a representation of Fascism.





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  • Massena
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    Originally posted by walle View Post

    Neither the far right (let alone conservatives) are waging war on their own nations and the constitution, let alone protesting freedom of speech.

    As for communism and Socialism those two ideologies have done tremendous damage.
    The far right, such as white supremacists and neo-Nazis are most certainly 'waging war on the own nations' for they are racists who do not believe that anyone 'of color' should be in the United States. Why are you supporting them?

    Communism and Socialism have indeed done tremendous damage-so has fascism-how many dead civilians from War II? And those the Nazis put in camps and murdered were minorities and/or against the Nazi regime.

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  • Massena
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    Originally posted by walle View Post

    The far right do not control academia and the school system, so no, they are not nearly as dangerous. Not even conservatives are in control, which is unfortunate.

    I can only speak for myself when I say that I've never met any white supremacist i.e. white person who wanted to rule over other races.

    Neither the far right (let alone conservatives) are waging war on their own nations and the constitution, let alone protesting freedom of speech.

    As for communism and Socialism those two ideologies have done tremendous damage.



    Leftard is a play on retarded, retarded as in pulled back, as in pulled back in your thinking. It describes the left rather well.
    And that proves what? That you can label people with a pejorative comment because you don't agree with them? Well done.

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  • walle
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post

    Yes, the far right is as bad as the far left and apparently much more violent, as witness the mass shootings lately by white supremacists.

    Pooh-poohing the violence of the far right from white supremacists, neo-Nazis, etc as nothing more than a smaller population that the far left is supporting the far right fanatics by default.

    Using pejorative comments such as 'leftartd' is not constructive at all and hurts any argument that you may actually have. Do you actually understand what 'free speech' is? Have you ever read the US Constitution? I taught it so if you would like to have a discussion on it please do.
    The far right do not control academia and the school system, so no, they are not nearly as dangerous. Not even conservatives are in control, which is unfortunate.

    I can only speak for myself when I say that I've never met any white supremacist i.e. white person who wanted to rule over other races.

    Neither the far right (let alone conservatives) are waging war on their own nations and the constitution, let alone protesting freedom of speech.

    As for communism and Socialism those two ideologies have done tremendous damage.

    Originally posted by Massena View Post
    Using pejorative comments such as 'leftartd'
    Leftard is a play on retarded, retarded as in pulled back, as in pulled back in your thinking. It describes the left rather well.

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  • Massena
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    Originally posted by walle View Post
    They are not nearly as bad, not nearly as many, nor do they control academia and the school system.
    If you by far right inferred to conservatives (like leftards so often do) conservatives are the ones defending and exercising freedom of speech. They are not attacking and protesting it under the guise of phantom racism and "hurt" feelings, like leftards do.
    Yes, the far right is as bad as the far left and apparently much more violent, as witness the mass shootings lately by white supremacists.

    Pooh-poohing the violence of the far right from white supremacists, neo-Nazis, etc as nothing more than a smaller population that the far left is supporting the far right fanatics by default.

    Using pejorative comments such as 'leftartd' is not constructive at all and hurts any argument that you may actually have. Do you actually understand what 'free speech' is? Have you ever read the US Constitution? I taught it so if you would like to have a discussion on it please do.

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  • Massena
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    https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/10/opini...oth/index.html

    As the new school year gets underway and the presidential campaign heats up, it won't be long before we hear once again critics bewailing that free speech is no longer a core value at colleges and universities. Through a well-funded
    effort
    by conservative political organizations, already more than a dozen state legislatures
    have passed
    so-called campus free speech bills.


    Major research universities will likely be under a spotlight, criticized for supposedly providing a platform for political craziness rather than innovative research, and surely there will be liberal arts college professors labeled "illiberal liberals" (or worse) before the first semester is out. Those with political beliefs they believe unpopular on campus will defend themselves by simultaneously saying they feel forced to self-censor while also calling for more freedom of expression.

    Along with appeals to free speech, we will also (paradoxically) hear calls for civility, for soft self-censorship in the name of decorum. In fact, we already have, with Cindy McCain's Acts of Civility initiative and in the wake of Bret Stephens' reaction to a tweet from a George Washington professor. At a time when violent racism has become ingrained in immigration policy, at a time when hatred in public discourse has become an accepted part of national politics, it seems both nave and inconsistent to tell college students that embracing civility along with a rough and tumble marketplace of ideas is a cure for our ills.
    The unregulated free market approach to speech is not a viable path for higher education -- it's both misleading and airily abstract. Real harm to real people results when racism and sexism amplify hateful speech. Giving a platform to overtly racist groups, or to speakers intent on targeting particular portions of a student body, is an exercise in intimidation more than intellectual debate. Nor will the free market approach likely result in giving conservative traditions more consideration on campus.

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  • walle
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post
    The far right is just as bad.
    They are not nearly as bad, not nearly as many, nor do they control academia and the school system.

    If you by far right inferred to conservatives (like leftards so often do) conservatives are the ones defending and exercising freedom of speech. They are not attacking and protesting it under the guise of phantom racism and "hurt" feelings, like leftards do.

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