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  • Trump's Phone Call and the Whistleblower

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

    The whistleblower complaint that has triggered a tense showdown between the U.S. intelligence community and Congress involves President Trump’s communications with a foreign leader, according to two former U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

    Trump’s interaction with the foreign leader included a “promise” that was regarded as so troubling that it prompted an official in the U.S. intelligence community to file a formal whistleblower complaint with the inspector general for the intelligence community, said the former officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.

    It was not immediately clear which foreign leader Trump was speaking with or what he pledged to deliver, but his direct involvement in the matter has not been previously disclosed. It raises new questions about the president’s handling of sensitive information and may further strain his relationship with U.S. spy agencies. One former official said the communication was a phone call.

  • #2
    More on the subject:

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/19/politics/donald-trump-espionage-congress-spy-agencies-oversight/index.html


    A smoldering Washington intelligence mystery exploded late Wednesday into a full-on confrontation between House Democrats and the White House over communications between President Donald Trump and an unidentified foreign leader.


    A showdown over a whistleblower's "credible and urgent" complaint was revealed --
    first by The Washington Post
    and later confirmed by CNN -- to concern the President himself, raising new questions about the motivation of the acting director of national intelligence's refusal to reveal details of the case to Congress.

    The revelations are certain to unleash a new firestorm in the nation's capital over Trump's perplexing foreign policy dealings and the administration's across-the-board efforts to frustrate Congress' constitutionally authorized role of oversight of the executive branch.

    But they will also open debate about the extent of the President's powers, which give him expansive latitude in national security.
    The whistleblower's claims are also certain to bolster the belief among Trump and his supporters that nefarious forces are operating within America's intelligence establishment to undermine him -- a refrain conservatives have used in the wake of the Russian election interference operation. And they will likely further damage the President's trust in America's spy agencies.

    The Post reported that an official in the American intelligence community was so bothered by a "promise" Trump had made while communicating with a foreign leader that the official filed a formal whistleblower complaint with the inspector general of the intelligence community, according to two former US officials familiar with the matter. CNN has not confirmed the detail about the "promise."

    It is unclear to whom Trump was speaking at the time.

    The complaint was filed on August 12. White House records show Trump had spoken to or interacted with five foreign leaders in the previous five weeks, the Post reported: Russian President Vladimir Putin, North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un, Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan, Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte and the Emir of Qatar.

    Trump's private, in-person meetings with Putin and Kim especially have intrigued observers.

    The Post's report, and CNN's subsequent confirmation, shed light on an intrigue that puzzled Washington for the last few days.

    The drama centers on the refusal of acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire to hand over the whistleblower's complaint to Congress. The stalling had already prompted speculation that Trump or senior aides could be involved .

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/18/polit...tel/index.html



    A communication between President Donald Trump and a world leader prompted a whistleblower complaint that is now at the center of a dispute between the director of national intelligence and Congress, a source familiar with the case told CNN.


    The concern was first revealed by The Washington Post, which reported that an official in the American intelligence community was so bothered by a "promise" Trump made to a foreign leader that the official filed a formal whistleblower complaint with the inspector general of the intelligence community, citing two former US officials familiar with the matter. CNN has not independently confirmed the detail about a "promise" made to the foreign leader.

    The source who spoke to CNN would not disclose the foreign leader with whom Trump was alleged to have spoken.

    The Office of the Director of National Intelligence declined to comment. The White House has not responded to CNN's request for comment.
    The details of the complaint are shrouded in mystery, even as the fight between the House Intelligence Committee and acting director of national intelligence has been brought to the fore by committee Chairman Adam Schiff. While not privy to the details of the complaint, the California Democrat wrote in a letter to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence last week that, from what he has gleaned, he believes "the serious misconduct at issue involves the President of the United States and/or other senior White House or Administration officials."

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    • #3
      The welfare system for the college educated called government employment is just an extension in many cases of the clown brigade masquerading as the Democratic Party. Even the Republican Party has it's own long list of career politicians and bureaucrats that form it's own clown brigade such as John McCain. Under the current environment we will have to wait and see what the motivation of the "whistleblower" may have been.
      We hunt the hunters

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      • #4
        Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
        The welfare system for the college educated called government employment is just an extension in many cases of the clown brigade masquerading as the Democratic Party. Even the Republican Party has it's own long list of career politicians and bureaucrats that form it's own clown brigade such as John McCain. Under the current environment we will have to wait and see what the motivation of the "whistleblower" may have been.
        You're supposed to wait until you get your talking points to make a comment. Others here are quiet because they aren't sure what to make of it.
        Wait until Rush/Fox tells you what to think, then report back. I have a feeling we'll hear another conspiracy theory.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by inevtiab1e View Post
          ...Others here are quiet because they aren't sure what to make of it...
          I agree. As of now, it's meaningless reporting since no one is naming names and no one will go on record to say who did what to whom.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by III Corps View Post

            I agree. As of now, it's meaningless reporting since no one is naming names and no one will go on record to say who did what to whom.
            To be fair, we've already heard one conspiracy theory. I'll wait until after 3pm EST to see if the comments from Trump supporters pick up.

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            • #7
              This sounds like a case of someone in the intelligence community illegally listening in to a privileged communication by the President (any President) and a foreign leader without the President's knowledge. That would not make it "whistle blowing" but rather a serious felony and breech of security.

              My bet is the whole thing is a conspiracy theory that suddenly disappears when it starts falling apart.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                This sounds like a case of someone in the intelligence community illegally listening in to a privileged communication by the President (any President) and a foreign leader without the President's knowledge. That would not make it "whistle blowing" but rather a serious felony and breech of security.

                My bet is the whole thing is a conspiracy theory that suddenly disappears when it starts falling apart.
                or for the otherside the President was committing a crime.

                I wouldn't take that bet fairly sure there fire in this one. Part of the issue is whistleblowers have a fairly complicated mess to go through or they lose whistleblower status.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by craven View Post

                  or for the otherside the President was committing a crime.
                  We don't know that. We don't know what the communication was or with whom it was made. None of that has come out.

                  I wouldn't take that bet fairly sure there fire in this one. Part of the issue is whistleblowers have a fairly complicated mess to go through or they lose whistleblower status.
                  I doubt it. The incident is far too vague. Congress, particularly the House, can't be trusted right now to be an impartial judge of anything related to Trump. Many House committees, like Nadler's, are on nothing more than a fishing expedition to find something, anything, to pin on Trump. Impartial and objective they're not.

                  None of that changes that Trump's private phone conversations with foreign leaders are not subject to being listened in on, particularly when Trump doesn't know it.

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                  • #10
                    I remember my Political Science Professor saying that in the United States their style is to get all the information out there in the Public and then decide what's true while in Canada he thought it's style was to sweep stuff under the rug. He said it made for bumpy uncomfortable rug walking in Canada. Messier politics in the States, he thought, but better. Alas, that seems to have changed a lot except for the messy part.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by inevtiab1e View Post
                      I have a feeling we'll hear another conspiracy theory.
                      I agree, this looks like another one of many LW conspiracy theory....... probably turn into collusion and then another 'nothingburger' like so many other twists from the LW media.

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                      • #12
                        It isn't hard to understand why the permanent/bureaucratic/technocratic/career political class hates Trump. First and foremost he isn't a member of their group and despite the facade of sophistication, multiculturalism, fairness, and empathy those who's self satisfaction is tied up in a prestige culture are bigots of a sort. They may be politically correct bigots but they are bigots none the less. Think smelly Wal-Mart shoppers, deplorables, and climgers. Trump and his supporters are essential "white trash" and they are the plantation owners and overseers, minorities their property and women of their group an elevated form of humanity. It's all reminiscent of the dystopian southern aristocracy from which The Democratic Party has it's roots. The second reason they hate Trump is he fires and hires at the drop of a hat because that is the nature of the corporate world, a corporate world they despise at least in part because deep down inside they know they couldn't compete there.
                        We hunt the hunters

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                        • #13
                          May I remind Massena and Inevtiab1e of event caught off the mike with Obama during History before Yesterday?
                          https://www.reuters.com/article/us-n...82P0JI20120326
                          Was there anything done about It? Of course not. Should something have been done about it? Probably not. Regardless, that event was not the result of any attempt to spy upon a President.

                          This latest attempt to get Trump is already starting to fall apart as the spying becomes exposed for what it is. Totally politically motivated by those that cannot believe that their beloved Hillary lost in spite of all of their efforts to smear Trump that go way back before Trump announced that he was running for President.
                          “Breaking News,”

                          “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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                          • #14
                            Obama isn't president.

                            Did Obama give Medvedev any classified material?

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                            • #15
                              https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/19/polit...wer/index.html

                              The White House and the Justice Department have advised the nation's top intelligence agency that the controversial complaint is outside intelligence activities as covered by laws governing intelligence whistleblowers, according to three sources familiar with the matter.

                              The revelation is the first known evidence of the White House's involvement. Speaking to reporters on Thursday, House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff said he didn't know whether the White House was involved.

                              The White House Counsel's office and Justice Department Office of Legal Counsel have both been involved in discussing the complaint with the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) in the handling of the issue. So far, the director of national intelligence has not allowed lawmakers access to the complaint, which a source familiar with the matter said involved a communication between President Donald Trump and a foreign leader.

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