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  • #31
    Originally posted by Phaing View Post

    So?
    That's not like saying Californians are smart, we just escaped from that horrible place and you have to be crazy to think things are going well there.
    The poverty rate is 20%, it is dead-last in quality of life in US Sates, it has the highest personal income tax rate and the highest sales tax! Thanks to the housing bubble 25% of US homeless are there, and if California was it's own country it would the the 17th most unequal nation on earth in terms of personal wealth, right between Honduras and Guatemala.
    And if you live there, you should know that.
    So, the issue of higher cost of living in CA is more related to the much higher population density (housing cost) there and not the "socialist" supposedly CA. I posted in another thread how the TX Comptroller is issuing warnings about the increasing housing cost in the state despite the fact that TX's density is less than half of that of CA's. And right now, TX (which is supposedly the most successful among the red states) poverty without taking in consideration living cost is higher than the one in CA and TX leads the nation in the percentage of the uninsured children.

    The bottom 20% do not pay personal income taxes. I do not know if they pay the highest sales tax in the nation, but I do know that even if it is true, such tax is used to help the poor get more affordable education in some of the best universities in the world . Here is another proposition for increasing taxes (including sales tax)

    https://money.cnn.com/2012/11/07/new...thy/index.html

    ...

    Californians approved a measure Tuesday that raises taxes on the wealthy and hikes the state sales tax. It is expected to bring in $6 billion a year, on average, over five years.


    Proposition 30, which Governor Jerry Brown has lobbied heavily for, captured 54% of the vote. Its approval prevents massive budget cuts to the state's public schools and universities.

    So, if one is so obsessed with CA to bring it in a thread like this, he needs as a minimum to include the parts of the story I mentioned. Otherwise, it looks like a politically motivated cheap shot
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    • #32
      Originally posted by pamak View Post

      Since you want to inform other people about CA's practices, why do not you also reveal the whole story?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_C..._Proposition_6

      California Proposition 6 was a measure that was submitted to California voters as part of the November 2018 election. The ballot measure proposed a repeal of the Road Repair and Accountability Act (a fuel tax), which is also known as Senate Bill 1 (SB 1). The measure failed with about 57% of the voters against and 43% in favor.[2][3]

      https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics...php?psid=ng2x4
      Prop. 6: Californians reject gas tax repeal measure


      California’s new gas tax hike, which pays for new freeway lanes, girders, streets that gleam with fresh asphalt and well-functioning transit systems throughout the state, isn’t going anywhere.

      Voters on Tuesday shot down a measure to repeal the hike, which trailed throughout the night with 55 percent of voters opposed and 45 percent in favor.



      Despite the popular mythology about CA, we are not just cattle following the will of a "socialist" government...

      p.s. You can use the above as an example of people wanting to pay more taxes to support certain policies
      That's what the bill claimed. But the tax as implemented is an "excise" tax on gasoline and goes into the general fund. The state can use it for whatever they want. The point I was making was the original bill was a lie. It said one thing, but delivered-- potentially-- another. There was nothing to stop the state government from not using that money for some other purpose if they wanted to.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by pamak View Post

        So, the issue of higher cost of living in CA is more related to the much higher population density (housing cost) there and not the "socialist" supposedly CA. I posted in another thread how the TX Comptroller is issuing warnings about the increasing housing cost in the state despite the fact that TX's density is less than half of that of CA's.
        Texas, that's where you want to go with this? Where housing costs about a quarter of what it does in CA?
        If you have to stretch in that far, then I;m already bored.

        Originally posted by pamak View Post
        The bottom 20% do not pay personal income taxes. I do not know if they pay the highest sales tax in the nation,
        The top rate is over 13%

        California 1.0 - 13.3%
        And if you think that the top 1% are paying that much, then I have a Car Warranty I'd like to sell you.

        Originally posted by pamak View Post
        So, if one is so obsessed with CA to bring it in a thread like this, he needs as a minimum to include the parts of the story I mentioned. Otherwise, it looks like a politically motivated cheap shot
        I am not the one that brought up California in the first place, but since you claim that you live there (where?) and are talking such BS about it I am going to call you one on it, and no smug guilt-shaming is going to scare me away.
        But we do agree on one thing; Anyone that stays there deserves what they get.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Phaing View Post

          Texas, that's where you want to go with this? Where housing costs about a quarter of what it does in CA?
          If you have to stretch in that far, then I;m already bored.



          The top rate is over 13%



          And if you think that the top 1% are paying that much, then I have a Car Warranty I'd like to sell you.



          I am not the one that brought up California in the first place, but since you claim that you live there (where?) and are talking such BS about it I am going to call you one on it, and no smug guilt-shaming is going to scare me away.
          But we do agree on one thing; Anyone that stays there deserves what they get.
          This is where the conversation leads me because some people want to argue in state terms against CA

          Again, the TX Comptroller makes it clear that the trajectory threatens the traditional advantage of housing affordability they have as more people are coming in.

          https://comptroller.texas.gov/econom...ch/housing.php

          The economic success of our cities is changing that picture, however, and according to the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas, the rise in Texas home prices has outpaced that of the nation as a whole since 2011.

          Similarly, a recent Texas A&M Real Estate Center study indicates that Texas housing prices have been rising faster than the state’s personal income.

          ...


          And every state puts different weigh in different fields regarding taxes.


          https://wallethub.com/edu/t/states-w...y-taxes/11585/

          Texas seems to have one of the highest effective real estate taxes in the nation
          16 California 0.77%
          45 Texas 1.83%
          And part of the reason for the above is related to another CA proposition

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_C...Proposition_13

          The proposition decreased property taxes by assessing values at their 1976 value and restricted annual increases of assessed value of real property to an inflation factor, not to exceed 2 percent per year. It also prohibited reassessment of a new base year value except in cases of (a) change in ownership, or (b) completion of new construction. These rules apply equally to all real estate, residential and commercial—whether owned by individuals or corporations.





          And the top rate you mentioned is related to the better off. I have no problem with them paying more. And as you saw, Californias often approve propositions that affect even THEIR taxes and not the taxes of the rich.

          If you are bored, then you were not interested into first place to discuss anything that does not agree with your beliefs.


          You did not bring CA but you felt the need to intervene in my reply to a person from AZ who brought supposedly "information" about how CA's taxes are spent.
          I live near Palo Alto which has one of the most insane housing markets in the state and the nation. You got me..
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          • #35
            Originally posted by pamak View Post
            If you are bored

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Phaing View Post

              This is the "twitter mentality" of making a claim out of thin air without putting a serious effort to justify it. It is good for sound bites, but not for having an informed opinion. Reading is boring indeed...
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              • #37
                Originally posted by inevtiab1e View Post
                Oh really? Care to share a link/source?
                The first thing our new governor did once she took office is demand a 45 cent gas tax increase, and currently is holding the state budget hostage until she gets what she wants.

                If you want links, you will get all you want with a simple google search of Whitmer Michigan Gas Tax.

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                • #38
                  Texas has no state income tax. They pay for stuff off sales taxes, gas taxes, and most importantly, taxes on oil and gas royalties. They charge the latter off to anyone who gets royalties from oil or gas production. I know. I pay taxes to Texas yearly to two school districts, and three counties because of owning shares in wells on land that belonged to a late uncle who had a large ranch outside San Antonio.

                  I don't begrudge then that either. That's part of the cost of doing business. The 1099's are a PITA quarterly, and trying to get ahold of the people in that receive those taxes is too. It's particularly hard with the school districts where you are calling a particular school where there's one person who isn't full time to answer questions.

                  But, that's all gravy so I shrug it off as just the cost of doing business. I know my personal banker at Chase doesn't have issues with it...

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                    Texas has no state income tax. They pay for stuff off sales taxes, gas taxes, and most importantly, taxes on oil and gas royalties. They charge the latter off to anyone who gets royalties from oil or gas production. I know. I pay taxes to Texas yearly to two school districts, and three counties because of owning shares in wells on land that belonged to a late uncle who had a large ranch outside San Antonio.

                    I don't begrudge then that either. That's part of the cost of doing business. The 1099's are a PITA quarterly, and trying to get ahold of the people in that receive those taxes is too. It's particularly hard with the school districts where you are calling a particular school where there's one person who isn't full time to answer questions.

                    But, that's all gravy so I shrug it off as just the cost of doing business. I know my personal banker at Chase doesn't have issues with it...
                    They also have very high property taxes

                    https://www.yahoo.com/news/9-states-...230412898.html

                    If seeing your state take a bite out of your paycheck (on top of whatever the federal government withholds) really grinds your gears, then consider moving yourself to one of these nine states. Alaska, Florida, Nevada, New Hampshire, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Washington and Wyoming have no income tax - for any residents.

                    Be advised, though, that states still have to find money to pay for roads, schools and more, so other taxes may be higher. Texas, for example, has some of the highest property taxes in the U.S., and Tennessee, the second-highest average sales tax. In addition, New Hampshire and Tennessee tax some dividends and interest, although Tennessee plans to phase out its tax by 2021.


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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Tuebor View Post

                      The first thing our new governor did once she took office is demand a 45 cent gas tax increase, and currently is holding the state budget hostage until she gets what she wants.

                      If you want links, you will get all you want with a simple google search of Whitmer Michigan Gas Tax.
                      What does that have anything to do with price gouging by oil corporations?

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by marktwain View Post
                        . . . . those are Canadian dollars, which "a certain esteemed financial manager on line" once informed me trade at one burlap sack full to the Yankee buck
                        Who possibly would say such a thing?

                        But now that you mention it, maybe now would be a good time for Americans to invest in Canadian petroleum: the stuff'll sell like crack sud de la lignee, at least until Trump dumps the USD.
                        I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Jose50 View Post
                          This morning my usual gas station was down to $2.49 and the home heating oil was $2.39. I'll keep monitoring the prices and let you guys know just how quickly the gouge price rises.
                          Well, here it is a day later and the gas price has not risen from $2.49 yet. However, the price for home heating oil jumped by .10c overnight.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Phaing View Post

                            So?
                            That's not like saying Californians are smart, we just escaped from that horrible place and you have to be crazy to think things are going well there.
                            The poverty rate is 20%, it is dead-last in quality of life in US Sates, it has the highest personal income tax rate and the highest sales tax! Thanks to the housing bubble 25% of US homeless are there, and if California was it's own country it would the the 17th most unequal nation on earth in terms of personal wealth, right between Honduras and Guatemala.
                            And if you live there, you should know that.
                            It's important to keep in mind that California's fuel taxes have to pay for periodic earthquake road and bridge collapses.

                            There'sa rumour going around, Phaing, that you were asked to move after your Cascadia revolution ….
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

                              Who possibly would say such a thing?

                              But now that you mention it, maybe now would be a good time for Americans to invest in Canadian petroleum: the stuff'll sell like crack sud de la lignee, at least until Trump dumps the USD.
                              There's a rumour going around that you installed a 250 gallon aux. tank in your Volkswagen in order to fill up tax free at the Akwesasne Mohawk reserve, and your surfboards have been replaced by genuine Mohawk Cuban cigar mega holders....
                              Last edited by marktwain; 17 Sep 19, 14:48.
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by inevtiab1e View Post
                                What does that have anything to do with price gouging by oil corporations?
                                Do you even follow your own line of posts?

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