Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

What's wrong with American politics? Everbody's stupid!

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #46
    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
    This past Friday, partisans of all stripes went out of their way to prove that they're all equally stupid. In the afternoon, immigrant advocates demonstrated outside the Port Authority Bus Terminal Greyhound's policy of allowing ICE agents to board their buses and remove suspected illegal immigrants.



    The pertinent fact that the protesters ignored was



    The other pertinent fact is that, since Greyhound's business is interstate travel, it is answerable to the Federal Gov't in virtually all aspects of its operations, ergo, if Greyhound refuses ICE agents entry to its buses as a matter of policy, then the Federal Gov't can suspend or revoke Greyhound's operating licenses. If the immigration advocates have a problem with suspected illegal immigrants being apprehended by Federal agents on Greyhound buses, then the issue lies not with Greyhound's policies, but with the Federal Government's -- and most any child whose completed a seventh grade civics class would know that.

    On the other end of the spectrum, however, crass stupidity is equally in evidence.



    Again, any junior high schooler can tell you that a President simply can't issue such orders, at least not legally.



    A sitting President just can't order US companies to cease doing business in foreign countries -- not without some serious administrative and/or legislative action first. The People's Republic of China has NOT been declared any kind of terrorist state by the US State Dept, or the US Defense Dept, or the US Commerce Dept, or the US Justice Dept, or the US Congress -- nor has there been a declaration of war against the PRC.

    Regardless of the stated affiliations of the partisans in question, the debate these days comes across like this:



    Two ignoramouses screaming their lungs out at each other, accusing each other of being intolerant ignoramouses: that's what politics sounds like these days. And finding an innocent party is getting damned near impossible. From 'most any point on the political spectrum, stupid is drowning out everything else. So the more time one spends shouting to the world how stupid Trump is, or how stupid his critics are, proves only how stupid the partisan is -- and I'd have to be pretty damned stupid to take any of them seriously.
    Might it be more a case of many are "ignorant" = don't know better, but could learn/be more/better informed rather than currently are; ... rather than being beyond improving/learning better~ "can't be fixed" so to speak ???

    My understanding of the language is "Stupid" is a condition from birth that is preset and limited to fixing; whereas "Ignorant" is one of limited/constricted information attained, and hence "fixable" with more information/insight provided ...
    Last edited by G David Bock; 27 Aug 19, 16:31.
    TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

    Comment


    • #47
      Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

      Might it be more a case of many are "ignorant" = don't know better, but could learn/be more/better informed rather than currently are; ... beyond improving/learning better~ "can't be fixed" so to speak ???

      My understanding of the language is "Stupid" is a condition from birth that is preset and limited to fixing whereas "Ignorant" is one of limited/constricted information attained, and hence "fixable" with more information/insight provided ...
      What if one is ignorant but outright refuses to rectify his condition? Does that not cross the line into stupid?
      I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

      Comment


      • #48
        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post


        Nope, facts.

        Comment


        • #49
          Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

          What if one is ignorant but outright refuses to rectify his condition? Does that not cross the line into stupid?
          I guess it could in sense that that deciding not to correct a defect is sign of defect in and of itself.

          Basically, to repeat;

          "Stupid" is the capacity to not gain or progress from benefit of further information, i.e.; a genetic
          /biological block upon further improvement or alteration of views/positions/bias.

          "Ignorant" reflects a lack of further information that might change valuation or perspective/position, resulting from more data and consideration of such.

          Implication being that in lacking of bias filters, more information might off-set "ignorance" and change one's position on an issues/topic.
          TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

          Comment


          • #50
            Put another way; "stupid" means a preconceived and locked in bias towards a set position, despite further information/input.

            "Ignorance" implies a position based upon limited and/or focused data that could be adjusted if additional and/or counter data is presented to consider.
            TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

            Comment


            • #51
              Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

              I guess it could in sense that that deciding not to correct a defect is sign of defect in and of itself.

              Basically, to repeat;

              "Stupid" is the capacity to not gain or progress from benefit of further information, i.e.; a genetic
              /biological block upon further improvement or alteration of views/positions/bias.

              "Ignorant" reflects a lack of further information that might change valuation or perspective/position, resulting from more data and consideration of such.

              Implication being that in lacking of bias filters, more information might off-set "ignorance" and change one's position on an issues/topic.
              How do you explain instances where people seem to "forget" what they were previously taught, as highlighted in the OP? The necessary information has already been given them -- but they've chosen to ignore it. In short, it's pretty hard not to view one as stupid if one deliberately, willfully chooses ignorance over knowledge. And that seems to be the unifying characteristic of all of these partisans: they can know better -- but they're deliberately choosing not to.
              I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

              Comment


              • #52
                Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

                How do you explain instances where people seem to "forget" what they were previously taught, as highlighted in the OP? The necessary information has already been given them -- but they've chosen to ignore it. In short, it's pretty hard not to view one as stupid if one deliberately, willfully chooses ignorance over knowledge. And that seems to be the unifying characteristic of all of these partisans: they can know better -- but they're deliberately choosing not to.
                There in lies a major conundrum ...
                ... are the "masses" too stupid, or ignorant, to be the "informed and involved" needed to self-rule* or do they remain in need of an "elite" (a.k.a. "Deep State" or "special class"**) to "tell them" how to choose and vote" ????

                * "self-rule" meaning our nation was founded on the concept of an ' informed and involved citizenry ' voting and choosing their representatives ....

                ** Those "special classes" being a replay of the "elites" of former European times where the "Lords" ruled over the serfs/peasantry and directed their influence/votes ??? !!!
                TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

                Comment


                • #53
                  Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

                  How do you explain instances where people seem to "forget" what they were previously taught, as highlighted in the OP? The necessary information has already been given them -- but they've chosen to ignore it. In short, it's pretty hard not to view one as stupid if one deliberately, willfully chooses ignorance over knowledge. And that seems to be the unifying characteristic of all of these partisans: they can know better -- but they're deliberately choosing not to.
                  Therein lies the Achilles Heal/Weak-point of representative Democracies/Republics, the default of the Citizens to do their duty.
                  TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

                  Comment


                  • #54
                    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

                    There in lies a major conundrum ...
                    ... are the "masses" too stupid, or ignorant, to be the "informed and involved" needed to self-rule* or do they remain in need of an "elite" (a.k.a. "Deep State" or "special class"**) to "tell them" how to choose and vote" ????

                    * "self-rule" meaning our nation was founded on the concept of an ' informed and involved citizenry ' voting and choosing their representatives ....

                    ** Those "special classes" being a replay of the "elites" of former European times where the "Lords" ruled over the serfs/peasantry and directed their influence/votes ??? !!!
                    One thing's for certain, as you move Left on the political spectrum, the political leadership, more and more, believes that to be true. The masses are simply too-- uninformed, uneducated, stupid, lazy, disinterested, etc.-- to be leave decisions up to them. The elites must tell everyone how to live, act, think, feel, or whatever because they know with absolute certainty what's best.

                    Thus you get the "basket of deplorables," the "...cling to their guns and bibles," the "I went to (fill in Ivy league school name here). The masses don't have the advantage of such a good education..." and the like from the Progressive Left.

                    Comment


                    • #55
                      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                      One thing's for certain, as you move Left on the political spectrum, the political leadership, more and more, believes that to be true. The masses are simply too-- uninformed, uneducated, stupid, lazy, disinterested, etc.-- to be leave decisions up to them. The elites must tell everyone how to live, act, think, feel, or whatever because they know with absolute certainty what's best.
                      The Nazis did the same thing in Germany, restricted people's access to information . . . . The quasi-fascist Salazar regime basically attacked student organizations, faculty, and academia as a whole, accusing them of being subversives in Moscow's thrall, thus crippling Portugal's higher education institutions for better than a decade . . . Clearly authoritarian regimes don't favor an educated and informed citizenry, for obvious reasons -- authoritarians of all stripes.

                      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                      Thus you get the "basket of deplorables," the "...cling to their guns and bibles," the "I went to (fill in Ivy league school name here). The masses don't have the advantage of such a good education..." and the like from the Progressive Left.
                      Obama's "cling to their bibles and their guns" speech, as well as Hillary's "basket of deplorables," drew inspiration from Lenin's What is to be Done (Искра ,1905) in which he bemoaned "trade union aspirationism."
                      I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

                      Comment

                      Latest Topics

                      Collapse

                      Working...
                      X