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    Federal energy program suggests keeping thermostat set at 78 degrees — 82 while you sleep

    http://www.fox5ny.com/news/federal-e...hile-you-sleep

    Why are they doing this? Thank the Democrats and their Environmentalist friends for complaining that this is the hottest summer ever and their pushing wind and solar energy as they block the construction of higher energy efficiency coal and CO2 free nuclear power plants. The results is that power companies can no longer meet the demand of energy use when it gets hot or cold especially when the sun isn't shining or the wind is not blowing at a stiff breeze. This new norm will mean that Smart Meters will bill you more according to the time of the day and those devices that Government want to put on your appliances will cause your home to become uncomfortably warm or cold and your refrigerated and frozen foods run the risk of spoiling. The alternative, rolling blackouts as higher numbers of elderly and infants start suffering from heat stroke or hypothermia.
    “Breaking News,”

    “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

  • #2
    Coal is a pollutant and is inefficient.

    Is it not a suggestion and not a rule?

    Why are you panicking?

    Hypothermia occurs when your body temperature falls below 95 degress Fahrenheit. Maybe you should read the article?
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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    • #3
      The democratic party has been taken over by spiteful mutants and is maladaptive. The ideas that spiteful mutants produce are highly infectious because we no longer have a higher education system that provides immunity.

      It is becoming obvious that if current trends continue general competence and conscientiousness will drop to a level where civilization cannot be maintained. Don't be fooled into thinking that empathy is synonymous with being pro-social. The highly empathetic reduce ever problem to infants and predators and encourage primitivism that reduce group selection. Empathy is also associated with openness and low conscientiousness. Also don't be fooled into thinking that "scientists" are pro-social as a consequence of superior intellect. Genius is associated with optimal levels of autistic traits and sociopathy. As the social structures that enforce conscientiousness break down it produces trends such as the replication crisis in scientific publications and scientists that are political activists.

      Many of the negative characteristics of the emerging "elites" are a consequence of class structure. Social economic status is highly hereditary. The upper classes having been under relaxed Darwinian selection for longer paradoxically produce not only higher general intelligence but higher numbers of spiteful mutants. There is a wealth of historical and genetic evidence to support this theory. The relationship between Luxus and civilizational decline is both cultural and hereditary.

      What many in the environmental movement are incapable of accepting is the relationship between poverty and environmental degradation. The worst environmental damage came at a time when poverty, industrialization, and population growth converged. At the beginning of the 20th century the average person was living on a few dollars a day forcing markets to provide natural resources as cheaply as possible which meant clear cutting and strip mining for example. Today we extract many times the natural resources with a fraction of the environmental impact. Because the average consumer is wealthy the market can afford to be environmentally sound. Maintaining that wealth is dependent more on conscientiousness than innovation over the short run. Innovation as it turns out is driving wealth inequality and exasperating the ability of the middle and lower classes to pay for environmental prudence. A microcosm of this relationship can be seen in Silicon Valley where homelessness is reducing the environment to third world conditions.



      We hunt the hunters

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      • #4
        'Spiteful mutants'?

        Where in the Marvel Universe did you come up with that one?
        Last edited by Massena; 21 Aug 19, 09:46.
        We are not now that strength which in old days
        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Massena View Post
          Coal is a pollutant and is inefficient.

          Is it not a suggestion and not a rule?

          Why are you panicking?

          Hypothermia occurs when your body temperature falls below 95 degress Fahrenheit. Maybe you should read the article?
          I happened to have been around during those wonderful years of the Carter energy crisis when the country was at the mercy of the Arabs thanks to the environmentalist war on domestic oil production. Locally, gasoline tankers were under police escort from Total Petroleum given that Michigan was one of those rare areas that was producing the much needed oil. Heating oil quickly became scarce and unaffordable which resulted in a mass rush to install wood stoves. I still use the one we installed back then.

          The modern coal plant is far more efficient then the older ones that are being retired. The ones that pollute are those in those wonderful Communist paradises of China, North Korea, and those Third world Countries of India, and others.

          Then you ignored Nuclear Power which produces no CO2. Why are the Progressives so against it?

          Suggestions often have a habit of becoming the rule. Why else are Smart Meters being installed on homes with notices being sent out by my local power company about billing by the hour with rates determined by the time of the day. Explain why my local power company keeps asking me for permission to install devices that will shut off my heat and central air during times of high energy demand. Explain why the local gas company was in a panic when we had several days of below zero F weather with high winds and a gas distribution sun station went down forcing all manufacturing here to shut down as well. We have already been asked to turn up the air conditioning to 74 and the heat down to 66. We have an odd even water ban in effect even though our municipal water source is Lake Huron which happens to be at near record high levels. What more are we to do to satisfy the whims of the climate change Progressives.

          There have been several deaths locally of the elderly from freezing to death when their energy was cut off, a condition that is called Hypothermia. There have been others that have died from heat stroke or hyperthermia because their air conditioning has failed or their power bill becomes unaffordable due to being on fixed income.

          Years of policies by those that you worship have resulted in energy production being reduced greatly since the 60s. The only reason the crunch hasn't happened is because most of the industries that needed the power relocated to Mexico and China. Now that some of them are moving back, the energy crunch is real since so few power plants have been built since the boom of the 60s with those old plants having to be closed due to their age.

          Right now, those solar panels are not working due to the clouds and fog. The windmills are all idle as it is calm out. The small power dam at Wixem Lake has been shut down for good. So much for those alternative energy scams. So, all power around here is being generated by what is left of the coal plants and some gas fired ones.

          Seems like you are the one in a panic as you rush to spam this form with numerous articles from MSN and CNN to trash Trump over everything they comments about him.
          “Breaking News,”

          “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Massena View Post
            Coal is a pollutant and is inefficient.

            Is it not a suggestion and not a rule?

            Why are you panicking?

            Hypothermia occurs when your body temperature falls below 95 degress Fahrenheit. Maybe you should read the article?
            the Hardware store sold him a metric thermometer
            The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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            • #7
              Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
              The democratic party has been taken over by spiteful mutants and is maladaptive. The ideas that spiteful mutants produce are highly infectious because we no longer have a higher education system that provides immunity.

              It is becoming obvious that if current trends continue general competence and conscientiousness will drop to a level where civilization cannot be maintained. Don't be fooled into thinking that empathy is synonymous with being pro-social. The highly empathetic reduce ever problem to infants and predators and encourage primitivism that reduce group selection. Empathy is also associated with openness and low conscientiousness. Also don't be fooled into thinking that "scientists" are pro-social as a consequence of superior intellect. Genius is associated with optimal levels of autistic traits and sociopathy. As the social structures that enforce conscientiousness break down it produces trends such as the replication crisis in scientific publications and scientists that are political activists.

              Many of the negative characteristics of the emerging "elites" are a consequence of class structure. Social economic status is highly hereditary. The upper classes having been under relaxed Darwinian selection for longer paradoxically produce not only higher general intelligence but higher numbers of spiteful mutants. There is a wealth of historical and genetic evidence to support this theory. The relationship between Luxus and civilizational decline is both cultural and hereditary.

              What many in the environmental movement are incapable of accepting is the relationship between poverty and environmental degradation. The worst environmental damage came at a time when poverty, industrialization, and population growth converged. At the beginning of the 20th century the average person was living on a few dollars a day forcing markets to provide natural resources as cheaply as possible which meant clear cutting and strip mining for example. Today we extract many times the natural resources with a fraction of the environmental impact. Because the average consumer is wealthy the market can afford to be environmentally sound. Maintaining that wealth is dependent more on conscientiousness than innovation over the short run. Innovation as it turns out is driving wealth inequality and exasperating the ability of the middle and lower classes to pay for environmental prudence. A microcosm of this relationship can be seen in Silicon Valley where homelessness is reducing the environment to third world conditions.


              Don't worry. At the rate things are going, we'll kill ourselves off before much longer.
              Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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              • #8
                The anti Trump sentiments are just one example of the creeping narcism that is prevalent in a society that has discarded the traditions that encouraged conscientiousness. A conscientious society would reject the "fake news" that pours out of the multinational, corporate media outlets like CNN and MSMBC.

                It's not optimism that has moved so many young people to embrace democratic "socialism" but rather a general pessimism about life itself. While they long for a pro-social environment their actions speak more of anarchic individualism. It's not individualism that strives for achievement but rather one of mediocracy in the form of equity, inclusion and diversity.

                The environmental movement itself is a fountain of misguided pessimism. It's main goal is the destruction of the industrial complex that has lifted half the world out of poverty. The produce local and buy local movement is little more than a thinly disguised move towards tribalism and primitivism. One example is the power grid that avoids the unreliable of single point production which was the norm when electricity was first introduced. The grid is not some plot by capitalists to maximize profits but the most reliable and efficient way to provide electricity. The same is true of agriculture. Agriculture combined with a vast transportation system avoids the natural insecurities of local agricultural production. More than just being cynical of the economic order people seem to have grown tired of maintaining a complex civilization.

                An optimistic sentiment would be one that embraced not turning your thermostats up to save air conditioning electricity but one that insisted on a cooperative effort to provide abundant cheap energy where even the poor could live in comfort. The poor are the people being devastated by the cost of green energy giving proof to the lie that the left cares about anything but power in the current political environment. The fact that the left is in bed with the corporatist, globalist financial sector is further proof of the hypocrisy and nihilism of It's establishment.

                We hunt the hunters

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Massena View Post
                  Coal is a pollutant and is inefficient.

                  Is it not a suggestion and not a rule?

                  Why are you panicking?

                  Hypothermia occurs when your body temperature falls below 95 degress Fahrenheit. Maybe you should read the article?
                  Coal creates pollution. It is very efficient for cost though.

                  On the other hand, solar creates pollution and is horribly inefficient.

                  As for thermostats... These are taking a point reading of temperature at the thermostat. They aren't reading the actual temperature in various other points of a residence. So, while it might be set at 82, your bedroom might be at 86 because of it's relative location in the home.

                  Interestingly, California has the highest percentage of solar and wind in the US



                  It also has one of the highest costs per KWH for that power



                  https://www.instituteforenergyresear...ortage-issues/

                  And, worse, as California ups their reliance on solar and wind while removing coal, nuclear, and conventional generation their dependence on imported power has risen as has the incidence of brownouts and blackouts.

                  If environmentalists and the Left really wanted cheap clean power they would have pushed Obama to spend that trillion he wasted on a "stimulus" that wasn't on letting every state build one or more nuclear power plants. It would have made the US energy independent for at least a century to come. But, these same knuckleheads think nuclear power is not only dangerous but downright evil...

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                  • #10
                    The insurmountable problem with American nuclear power is waste disposal. We insanely demand ten thousands year safety limits while other nations just deal with it safely and intelligently.
                    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                      The insurmountable problem with American nuclear power is waste disposal. We insanely demand ten thousands year safety limits while other nations just deal with it safely and intelligently.
                      Agreed. The demand for absolute perfection for millennia is neurotically insane. But, then again, most environmentalists are neurotically insane.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by marktwain View Post
                        the Hardware store sold him a metric thermometer
                        We are not now that strength which in old days
                        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                          The insurmountable problem with American nuclear power is waste disposal. We insanely demand ten thousands year safety limits while other nations just deal with it safely and intelligently.
                          What is the problem with sending all our nuclear waste to the sun? Cost, not in the long term of storage and guarding it for a couple thousand years. What would the Sun's reaction be??? Most likely next to nothing.
                          "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                          Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                          you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                            Agreed. The demand for absolute perfection for millennia is neurotically insane. But, then again, most environmentalists are neurotically insane.
                            Especially the Democratic ones!

                            The only truly safe disposal site is into the Sun.
                            Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post

                              What is the problem with sending all our nuclear waste to the sun? Cost, not in the long term of storage and guarding it for a couple thousand years. What would the Sun's reaction be??? Most likely next to nothing.
                              Agreed. The only problem I foresee is launch accidents which could dump radioactive cargo all over whatever is below them. But that problem was solved a long time ago by Bull, who fired payloads into space from cannon. Once they waste shells are heading in the right direction, the Sun's gravity eventually does the rest.
                              Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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