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  • Trump's Israel Travel Stunt is Un-American

    This article is based on a Washington Post editorial that was also published in our local newspaper on Saturday, 17 August:

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/washi...b0eb875f219fc4

    'President Donald Trump has trampled on innumerable American democratic norms and traditions, but few instances have been as egregious as his public intervention Thursday urging Israel to deny entry to a pair of US members of Congress...'

    'The episode is a disgrace to both countries and a demonstration that craven domestic political self-interest drives each leader far more than principle or the underlying importance of what has been an enduring alliance...'

    'What's added in this case is the odious assertion that their freedom of travel should be curtailed because of their political beliefs...'

    'Trump delights in fanning the flames of racial and ethnic division, and in Omar and Tlaib he has found foils that suit his purpose...'

    'As for the principle that elected representatives of the American people should be able to travel where they like, Trump has made his rejoinder clear: Principles are for suckers...'

    'How many dictators are rejoicing that a US president has given them full permission to bar members of Congress who in the future might want to visit their countries to monitor elections or speak up for human rights?...

    'That a US president would lend support and credence to such a policy-at the expense of democratically elected members of Congress-is fundamentally un-American.'
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Massena View Post
    'What's added in this case is the odious assertion that their freedom of travel should be curtailed because of their political beliefs...'
    Trump is an authoritarian, his followers are authoritarian. Unfortunately, this type of stuff won't bother them.
    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
    - Benjamin Franklin

    The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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    • #3
      No, it won't unless they actually have a conscience and care enough about their own country.

      What it can do, though, is convince people to vote against Trump in the next election. One can only hope.
      We are not now that strength which in old days
      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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      • #4
        Once again you use Trump and principles in the same sentence. I doubt this is news for you but imo he has none.
        "Ask not what your country can do for you"

        Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

        you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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        • #5
          I agree with you completely. And the article specifically addresses that issue.
          We are not now that strength which in old days
          Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
          Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
          To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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          • #6
            At least in Omar's case Israel has much more reason than the BDS movement to ban her. She was a member of the anti-Israel, anti Semitic, and terrorist supporting Muslim Student's Association (MSA) for years. She was on the board of a CAIR chapter for years. Even the UAE has declared CAIR a terrorist support organization.
            She has repeatedly made anti-Semitic statements, sufficiently so that she was even censured by the House over them.

            So, in her case, they could ban her for supporting terrorists and terrorist organizations that attack Israel. They could ban her for being a racist, anti Semite. There's plenty there for telling her she can't enter the country.

            The UK has banned any number of Conservative and Rightist persons from entry based on religion, criticism of Islam-- however mild or objectively presented-- and for other reasons. This includes several politicians.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...United_Kingdom

            What's special about Israel that they can't control who comes into their country?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Massena View Post
              No, it won't unless they actually have a conscience and care enough about their own country.
              What organization was paying for this trip?
              "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                At least in Omar's case Israel has much more reason than the BDS movement to ban her. She was a member of the anti-Israel, anti Semitic, and terrorist supporting Muslim Student's Association (MSA) for years. She was on the board of a CAIR chapter for years. Even the UAE has declared CAIR a terrorist support organization.
                She has repeatedly made anti-Semitic statements, sufficiently so that she was even censured by the House over them.

                So, in her case, they could ban her for supporting terrorists and terrorist organizations that attack Israel. They could ban her for being a racist, anti Semite. There's plenty there for telling her she can't enter the country.

                The UK has banned any number of Conservative and Rightist persons from entry based on religion, criticism of Islam-- however mild or objectively presented-- and for other reasons. This includes several politicians.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...United_Kingdom

                What's special about Israel that they can't control who comes into their country?
                The point is not about Israel.

                The point is about Trump being childish enough to actually request Israel that they deny Americans admission to Israel.
                It's prototype bullying behaviour.
                "For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Nichols View Post

                  What organization was paying for this trip?

                  The trip was sponsored by the Palestinian Initiative for the Promotion of Global Dialogue and Democracy, better known as MIFTAH.

                  Despite billing itself as a peaceful organization dedicated to promoting Palestine’s democratic institutions, MIFTAH for years has carried notable ties to terrorist sympathizers, has openly accused Israel of atrocities, and supports the boycott of Israeli products.

                  Hanan Ashrawi, the founder and chair of the MIFTAH board of directors, brushed off Palestinian terrorist attacks during a January 2017 interview by saying they are “seen by the people as resistance. And you cannot somehow adopt the language of either the international community or the occupier by describing anybody who resists as terrorists.”

                  MIFTAH’s own website describes Wafa Idrees, a female suicide bomber, as one of a few young women who chose to “join the ranks of the resistance movement.” Idrees detonated herself in January 2002, killing an 81-year-old and wounding another 150 Israelis
                  https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/08/...-organization/

                  On July 23, 2019, Rep. Rashida Tlaib’s spokesperson confirmed to
                  The Detroit News
                  that the
                  Forum for Cultural Engagement (FCE)
                  would be sponsoring Congresswomen Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar’s August 2019 trip to Israel and the West Bank. The trip was
                  initially sponsored by the Humpty Dumpty Institute
                  (HDI), however the group pulled out due to “scheduling conflicts.” There are a number of connections between FCE and HDI, as detailed below, including the fact that FCE’s co-director Joe Merante is also HDI’s chief operating officer.
                  A May New York Daily News article
                  cited the Palestinian NGO
                  MIFTAH
                  as a second sponsor.
                  https://www.ngo-monitor.org/reports/...ael-west-bank/

                  So, it was sponsored by a group that is both anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian terrorist organizations...

                  It also looks like the trip was mostly to visit Palestinians and not the kind you'd want them meeting with...

                  https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...e-was-planned/

                  https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...trip-itinerary


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Rutger View Post

                    The point is not about Israel.

                    The point is about Trump being childish enough to actually request Israel that they deny Americans admission to Israel.
                    It's prototype bullying behaviour.
                    I think in this case, just this case, Trump is correct-- particularly when it comes to Omar. A bit less with Tlaib. A somewhat loose analogy would be a couple of antiwar Congressmen want to visit North Vietnam during the Vietnam war.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                      At least in Omar's case Israel has much more reason than the BDS movement to ban her. She was a member of the anti-Israel, anti Semitic, and terrorist supporting Muslim Student's Association (MSA) for years. She was on the board of a CAIR chapter for years. Even the UAE has declared CAIR a terrorist support organization.
                      She has repeatedly made anti-Semitic statements, sufficiently so that she was even censured by the House over them.

                      So, in her case, they could ban her for supporting terrorists and terrorist organizations that attack Israel. They could ban her for being a racist, anti Semite. There's plenty there for telling her she can't enter the country.

                      The UK has banned any number of Conservative and Rightist persons from entry based on religion, criticism of Islam-- however mild or objectively presented-- and for other reasons. This includes several politicians.

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...United_Kingdom

                      What's special about Israel that they can't control who comes into their country?
                      Hard for her to be anti semitic when she is Semite.

                      But people with narrow minds have narrow definitions that fit their distorted World view.

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people
                      "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                      Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                      you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post

                        Hard for her to be anti semitic when she is Semite.

                        But people with narrow minds have narrow definitions that fit their distorted World view.

                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people
                        Actually, Omar would be from the Hamitic peoples, if you believe in the three sons of Noah from which these terms come.
                        Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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                        • #13
                          When you read close enough they are also semitic and considered white.
                          "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                          Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                          you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                          • #14
                            There may have been a darker motive for Rep Tlaib's decision to ultimately cancel her visit with her grandmother in the West Bank.

                            . . . . [Rep Tlaib] said she had to write a letter to the Israeli government promising not to advocate a boycott of Israel while she was visiting her grandmother. And she got a lot of backlash from Palestinian activists. Even one Palestinian organizing her trip accused her of groveling to Israel. So then she said she would give up her chance to see her grandmother because she didn't want to give up on speaking her mind about what she calls Israeli human rights violations against Palestinians. And Trump tweeted yesterday that Tlaib had acted obnoxiously. . . . .

                            "Palestinians And Israelis React To Tlaib's Canceled Trip," by Daniel Estrin, Weekend Edition, NPR 17 Aug 2019
                            - emphasis mine

                            When "Palestinian activists" generate "backlash," it's a lot like Irish Republican "activists" generating "backlash,"



                            Could "Palestinian activists" have threatened Rep Tlaib's relatives back in the West Bank if she had acquiesced to the Israeli government's conditions? Would such a dastardly act be beyond them?
                            I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Rutger View Post

                              The point is not about Israel.

                              The point is about Trump being childish enough to actually request Israel that they deny Americans admission to Israel.
                              It's prototype bullying behavior.
                              It also appears rather petty at a distance. I still suspect that its a plot to keep the POTUS ranting at the two junior reps by the Democratic party.

                              The man does love suckerbait...
                              The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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