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  • #46
    Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

    All true. In the US white nationalism has a mainstream party and platform. Making their rise much easier in the US than it was in Germany, as we're already seeing.
    Really? What "mainstream party and platform is that?" Is it making as much headway as say the Democratic Farmer-Worker Party? How about the Democratic Socialist Party?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farmer–Labor_Party

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnes...er–Labor_Party

    https://www.dsausa.org/

    Does this White Nationalist party have a coherent national organization of thugs to terrorize opponents like the DFWP and DSP do. Theirs is called "Antifa."

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/201...antif-a28.html

    https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/...ations/antifa/

    After all, the biggest, most noticeable, politician on the national scene when it comes to racism, bigotry, and hate is Ilhan Omar. She was sufficiently offensive in these areas that her own party bowed to pressure and officially censured her Congressionally. Of course, she has plenty of defenders of her anti-Semitic, and general bigotry and hate within her party...








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    • #47
      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

      Really? What "mainstream party and platform is that?" Is it making as much headway as say the Democratic Farmer-Worker Party? How about the Democratic Socialist Party?
      The White Nationalist Party, formerly known before Trump the racist as the Republican Party.

      Omar and Tlaib are a problem, but what they do and say pale in comparison to the chief idiot in the White House.

      We are not now that strength which in old days
      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post


        I'm not putting words in your mouth. You specifically said that antifa are the intolerant ones, which is correct. They are extremely intolerant of Nazis. So, given that you stated an issue with their intolerance, I'm asking you why antifa should be tolerant of Nazis?
        Well you got some of it right. They are extremely intolerant PERIOD.
        Antifa is the same as the Nazi’s, they exercise the same tactics that the brown shirts used. Attacking anyone that they don’t like. Suppressing free speech (though they are hardly alone in that practice). As I said they are the same coin, doing the same things as the group they claim to hate.
        Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedy. -- Ernest Benn

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Tsar View Post

          Well you got some of it right. They are extremely intolerant PERIOD.
          Antifa is the same as the Nazi’s, they exercise the same tactics that the brown shirts used. Attacking anyone that they don’t like. Suppressing free speech (though they are hardly alone in that practice). As I said they are the same coin, doing the same things as the group they claim to hate.
          Can you provide proof that antifa wants an ethnostate? Can you provide proof that they believe in white supremacy? Otherwise, they're entirely different from the Nazis they protest.
          "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
          - Benjamin Franklin

          The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Massena View Post

            The White Nationalist Party, formerly known before Trump the racist as the Republican Party.

            Omar and Tlaib are a problem, but what they do and say pale in comparison to the chief idiot in the White House.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

              All true. In the US white nationalism has a mainstream party and platform. Making their rise much easier in the US than it was in Germany, as we're already seeing.
              Really? What party is that? Certainly not the Republicans, and not the Democrats either despite they're being the anti-American party.

              But to get back to an earlier question that you haven't yet answered, who is Antifa opposing? Themselves?
              Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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              • #52
                Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

                Antifa is not in the wrong. At the moment, they're heroes.
                You've got to be kidding. That is close to the most ridiculous posting I've seen on this forum in the last ten years.
                We are not now that strength which in old days
                Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                  Originally posted by Massena View Post
                  The White Nationalist Party, formerly known before Trump the racist as the Republican Party.

                  Omar and Tlaib are a problem, but what they do and say pale in comparison to the chief idiot in the White House.

                  Not defending what the likes of Omar and Tlaib do and say, but what they say pales in comparison to Trump: they don't have his platform, his visibility. As President of the United States, every little thing that Trump says and does -- no matter how innocuous -- is amplified exponentially. Every blurb, every faux pas -- no matter how innocent -- assumes an almost immeasurable level of gravity. That has nothing to do with Trump personally: it's a natural consequence of the Office of the President of the United States. So yes, when Rep's Omar and Tlaib say something controversial, it's practically inconsequential when compared to anything that Pres Trump says. That's not my political opinion, it's simply a fact.
                  I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Massena View Post

                    You've got to be kidding. That is close to the most ridiculous posting I've seen on this forum in the last ten years.
                    That's fine. We're not always going to see things from the same perspective and as such will arrive at different conclusions.

                    In the US, people on the right side of history typically aren't lauded until decades later. In the moment, they're always seen as controversial, or 'trouble makers'. So, the negative response to antifa is expected and follows a historical norm.
                    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                    - Benjamin Franklin

                    The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

                      Not defending what the likes of Omar and Tlaib do and say, but what they say pales in comparison to Trump: they don't have his platform, his visibility. As President of the United States, every little thing that Trump says and does -- no matter how innocuous -- is amplified exponentially. Every blurb, every faux pas -- no matter how innocent -- assumes an almost immeasurable level of gravity. That has nothing to do with Trump personally: it's a natural consequence of the Office of the President of the United States. So yes, when Rep's Omar and Tlaib say something controversial, it's practically inconsequential when compared to anything that Pres Trump says. That's not my political opinion, it's simply a fact.
                      I was really making more of a point about this:

                      The White Nationalist Party, formerly known before Trump the racist as the Republican Party.
                      That has to be one of the most absurd, wildly insane, comments ever made on this board.

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                      • #56
                        ^ Nah, I'm sure we've heard worse. . . . .
                        I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                          That has to be one of the most absurd, wildly insane, comments ever made on this board.
                          What issues do you disagree with white nationalists on?
                          "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                          - Benjamin Franklin

                          The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

                            Can you provide proof that antifa wants an ethnostate? Can you provide proof that they believe in white supremacy? Otherwise, they're entirely different from the Nazis they protest.
                            What's wrong with an ethnostate in and of itself? It would be a country for a specific nation, pick one of choice.

                            Let us start there.

                            As long as you don't call for the genocide of members of other races and ethnicities you shouldn't oppose people who want to live among their own kind. That's no threat to you, and just as they have the right to live that way so do you.

                            See this is the problem the United States has, it is a country made up of many different nations, and they all have their own racial, ethnic and cultural self interests.

                            Of course there's gonna be clashes.

                            If you also have a policy of open borders and mass immigration (close to colonization at this point actually) you're not exactly gonna make things any better.

                            This may come as a chock too you.

                            Europe are now beginning to face the same problem, a created problem by those in charge.This time it's the native populations of Europe opposing, in various ways, what is being done too them.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by walle View Post

                              What's wrong with an ethnostate in and of itself? It would be a country for a specific nation, pick one of choice.

                              Let us start there.

                              As long as you don't call for the genocide of members of other races and ethnicities you shouldn't oppose people who want to live among their own kind. That's no threat to you, and just as they have the right to live that way so do you.

                              See this is the problem the United States has, it is a country made up of many different nations, and they all have their own racial, ethnic and cultural self interests.

                              Of course there's gonna be clashes.

                              If you also have a policy of open borders and mass immigration (close to colonization at this point actually) you're not exactly gonna make things any better.

                              This may come as a chock too you.

                              Europe are now beginning to face the same problem, a created problem by those in charge.This time it's the native populations of Europe opposing, in various ways, what is being done too them.
                              Nothing is wrong with ethnostates in an utopian world. I've said many times in the past that it's the best solution. Realistically, however the history of whites would make it difficult, if not impossible, to trust that they would stay to themselves and not bother other countries. Completely eliminating the benefit of ethnostates for non-whites. If some sort of enforceable guarantee could be made, then yes, I'm all for it.

                              Mind you, I did not bring up ethnostates to discuss as some sort of negative anyway. I brought it up because it is one of many distinct differences between antifa and neo nazis, which is what was being argued.
                              "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                              - Benjamin Franklin

                              The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                              • #60
                                I've never seen you make the argument, if you have it would support my view.

                                It is interesting that you put all blame on whites thou, and on the white race collectively.

                                In any case, you play the ball from where it lays.

                                As for bothering other countries it seems to me that none whites can't stop with bothering white counties, and they seem more than eager to get a chance to live in them.

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