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    His tweet followed the introduction of a resolution by Republican Sens. Ted Cruz and Bill Cassidy, aiming to have the group identified as "domestic terrorists."
    But the call prompted a flurry of tweets in the US and in Germany, where #IchBinAntifa -- I am Antifa -- started trending on Twitter.Several users who used the hashtag referenced Germany's history of fascism and anti-fascist resistance during the Nazi period.
    "#IchbinAntifa because my grandfather fought the fascists after they nearly wiped out our entire family," Krsto Lazarević wrote.
    Another user added, in a tweet that was retweeted hundreds of times: "#IchbinAntifa Because history teaches us just how fragile democracy and the rule of law are when giving right-wing extremists power."
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/29/europ...ntl/index.html

    Initially I was a bit annoyed with Antifa, but the response from Germany has forced me to rethink my position. What would happen if no one was willing to contend with the rise of racism and white nationalism in this country? We can look at history and determine exactly what would happen. Unfortunately, the right wing has made groups like antifa necessary. If the right is willing to fight, violently, for their 2nd Amendment rights, then the left should see no shame in fighting to uphold the rights of all men.

    Their bravery and what they're fighting for should be commended.

    For those who think antifa is bad, again, just think what the right wing would resort to if guns were banned.
    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
    - Benjamin Franklin

    The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

  • #2
    Let's start with this:

    What are the political views of Antifa and it's members? Politically, what would they like to see government become?

    Next, does Antifa have any views on race itself?

    Does Antifa follow rule of law when it stages a protest?

    What would happen if no one was willing to contend with rising racism and White Nationalism coming from the radical Right?

    Are there groups on the Left willing to fight, violently, for their 2nd Amendment Rights?

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    • #3
      Anti-fascism is precisely that – anti-fascism. So that's what the objective is to confront.

      However, anti-fascism come in a lot of different stripes, not all democratic and supporting rule-of-law.

      That not all do is otoh no reason to dismiss those that do.

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      • #4
        No the Germans are not making a good point. They would be if Antifa weren’t the real fascist’s but they are. Their behavior and actions show that they are the intolerant ones not the, generally, peaceful protesters that oppose and attack.
        Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedy. -- Ernest Benn

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        • #5
          None of this is anything new
          https://www.timesofisrael.com/the-tr...-cable-street/
          Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
          Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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          • #6
            Both Antifa and the White Supremacist movement are anathema to both law and order and to the United States overall.

            And if one is to be labeled a 'terrorist organization' then the other, which has proven itself to be much more deadly to American citizens, should be also. However, based on the right of free expression, which has allowed such organizations as the KKK and the American Nazi Party to exist, the idea is ludicrous and may be against the Constitution.
            We are not now that strength which in old days
            Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
            Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
            To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post



              https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/29/europ...ntl/index.html

              Initially I was a bit annoyed with Antifa, but the response from Germany has forced me to rethink my position. What would happen if no one was willing to contend with the rise of racism and white nationalism in this country? We can look at history and determine exactly what would happen. Unfortunately, the right wing has made groups like antifa necessary. If the right is willing to fight, violently, for their 2nd Amendment rights, then the left should see no shame in fighting to uphold the rights of all men.

              Their bravery and what they're fighting for should be commended.

              For those who think antifa is bad, again, just think what the right wing would resort to if guns were banned.
              Two wrongs never make a right.
              Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                Let's start with this:

                What are the political views of Antifa and it's members? Politically, what would they like to see government become?

                Next, does Antifa have any views on race itself?

                Does Antifa follow rule of law when it stages a protest?

                What would happen if no one was willing to contend with rising racism and White Nationalism coming from the radical Right?

                Are there groups on the Left willing to fight, violently, for their 2nd Amendment Rights?
                Excellent points. Suppose all of us adopted Antifa tactics? Total anarchy would be the result.
                Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                  Excellent points. Suppose all of us adopted Antifa tactics? Total anarchy would be the result.
                  Do their white supremacist/Nazis, etc. do the same thing or worse? I believe so. Both sides are equally guilty and they are not 'fine people.'
                  We are not now that strength which in old days
                  Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                  Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                  To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                  • #10
                    Something to note about the OP source, etc., is that the tweets and posts could very well have all originated with Antifa members meaning they got no or very little support outside their own circle. If that is the case, they are not being supported and are simply self-aggrandizing their motives.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Tsar View Post
                      No the Germans are not making a good point. They would be if Antifa weren’t the real fascist’s but they are. Their behavior and actions show that they are the intolerant ones not the, generally, peaceful protesters that oppose and attack.
                      Why should anyone be tolerant of Nazis?
                      "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                      - Benjamin Franklin

                      The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                        Something to note about the OP source, etc., is that the tweets and posts could very well have all originated with Antifa members meaning they got no or very little support outside their own circle. If that is the case, they are not being supported and are simply self-aggrandizing their motives.
                        One of the tweets is from a verified German newspaper.
                        "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                        - Benjamin Franklin

                        The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                          Two wrongs never make a right.
                          Antifa is not in the wrong. At the moment, they're heroes.
                          "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                          - Benjamin Franklin

                          The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                            Excellent points. Suppose all of us adopted Antifa tactics? Total anarchy would be the result.
                            Then why do conservatives threaten anarchy any time the 2nd amendment is threatened?
                            "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                            - Benjamin Franklin

                            The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

                              Why should anyone be tolerant of Nazis?
                              Why should anyone be tolerant of Anarchists and Communists?

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