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  • Trump's False Accusation of Voter Fraud

    The FEC Chair is asking Trump for evidence of his accusation of voter fraud in New Hampshire:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

    'The Democratic chairwoman of the Federal Election Commission on Friday challenged President Donald Trump to provide evidence of the voter fraud he insists cost him New Hampshire in 2016 or quit talking about it.'


    'In a letter to Trump, Ellen Weintraub said the country's democracy depends on "the American people's faith in our elections. Your voter-fraud allegations run the risk of undermining that faith."'

    'Weintraub's missive came a day after Trump complained to reporters — and to his supporters at a rally in Manchester, New Hampshire — that he had narrowly lost the Granite State because of fraudulent voting, a claim for which there is no evidence.'


    '"New Hampshire should have been won last time, except we had a lot of people come in at the last moment, which was a rather strange situation," Trump told journalists.' '"Thousands and thousands of people, coming in from locations unknown."'

    'At the rally, he told the crowd that New Hampshire was "taken away from us."'

    Trump's lies and false accusations and misrepresentations are being swallowed whole by his base supporters. This is akin to his false claim that 'thousands' of American Moslems were cheering on rooftops on 9/11.
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

  • #2
    Seems to me that Trump is right...









    Now, you can claim whatever you want about James O'Keefe and Project Veritas, but the videos speak for themselves. Unless you have proof they were edited in some fashion to make them 'fake,' and given the time some have been out and that the NH state attorney general has subpoenaed O'Keefe to appear before a grand jury over them which went nowhere, I'd say that isn't the case.

    NH has a voter fraud problem.

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    • #3
      It was a false accusation for widespread voter fraud.

      Perhaps you know the actual numbers?
      We are not now that strength which in old days
      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Massena View Post
        It was a false accusation for widespread voter fraud.

        Perhaps you know the actual numbers?
        I don't and don't need to. Clearly, there are multiple cases in New Hampshire, a small low population state. That should be enough to make it a serious concern. The videos clearly show several different types and cases of voter fraud as well in different locations throughout the state. That too implies that fraud is endemic enough the state should be moving vigorously to eliminate it.

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        • #5
          This link below shows a sampling of the different types of election fraud. Just pick a state...


          Election Fraud Cases from Across the United States

          The Heritage Foundation’s Election Fraud Database presents a sampling of proven instances of election fraud from across the country. This database is not an exhaustive or comprehensive list, but is intended to demonstrate the many ways in which fraud is committed. Preventing, deterring, and prosecuting election fraud is essential to protecting the integrity of our voting process.

          https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud#choose-a-state
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          • #6
            So where is the proof and the data?

            And what is the total number in the United States out of how many votes cast?
            We are not now that strength which in old days
            Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
            Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
            To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Massena View Post
              So where is the proof and the data?

              And what is the total number in the United States out of how many votes cast?
              That voter fraud is happening means it should be eradicated. Arguing that it's "not serious" or that "it doesn't happen" is just an absurd position.

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              • #8
                It's happening throughout America, and it's a stain on our national government.
                Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Massena View Post
                  So where is the proof and the data?

                  And what is the total number in the United States out of how many votes cast?
                  The fact that you haven't found the resources shows you did not read everything. Go back and try again. The truth is in the link.

                  "Stand for the flag ~ Kneel for the fallen"

                  "A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer." ~ Bruce Lee

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                    That voter fraud is happening means it should be eradicated. Arguing that it's "not serious" or that "it doesn't happen" is just an absurd position.
                    Exactly! Just bizarre.
                    "Stand for the flag ~ Kneel for the fallen"

                    "A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer." ~ Bruce Lee

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Persephone View Post

                      Exactly! Just bizarre.
                      It works like this when you are talking to a Democrat or Progressive:

                      First they tell you that voter fraud isn't happening.
                      When you point out factual cases of it, they tell you that it's minor and rare (going from not happening).
                      When you point out larger cases like Acorn, they say that's not actual vote fraud just voter registration fraud... as if those fraudulently registered wouldn't later vote.
                      They then say "Even so, it wouldn't change the outcome."
                      When you show them cases where it did, they then interject a case where there was voter fraud by Republicans saying "See! There's your true voter fraud!"
                      When you tell them "Okay, there are cases of Republicans doing it too but far fewer cases than with Democrats" (and show them the factual cases again) they get mad and won't talk further, insulting you instead.

                      Bottomline: Democrats and Progressives commit voter fraud on a substantial scale. Republicans also commit voter fraud. It has changed the outcome of elections from time to time.

                      Conclusion: Voter fraud should be taken seriously and eradicated. Also, remember If it isn't close they can't cheat.


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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                        Bottomline: Democrats and Progressives commit voter fraud on a substantial scale. Republicans also commit voter fraud. It has changed the outcome of elections from time to time.

                        Conclusion: Voter fraud should be taken seriously and eradicated. Also, remember If it isn't close they can't cheat.
                        I completely agree with your conclusion; but your 'bottomline' is erroneous and no one here, or anywhere else, has demonstrated that it is either widespread or it has affected US elections. And those committing voter fraud and usually discovered and then they are prosecuted.

                        The idea of widespread voter fraud is a right wing idea supported by Trump, who never has found a conspiracy theory that he didn't like.

                        We are not now that strength which in old days
                        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Massena View Post

                          I completely agree with your conclusion; but your 'bottomline' is erroneous and no one here, or anywhere else, has demonstrated that it is either widespread or it has affected US elections. And those committing voter fraud and usually discovered and then they are prosecuted.

                          The idea of widespread voter fraud is a right wing idea supported by Trump, who never has found a conspiracy theory that he didn't like.
                          Here's one example of widespread fraud or the look of potential fraud.







                          A Democrat operative dropping of boxes of ballots in Maricopa county. These pictures got the practice banned in Arizona.



                          That an election had to be redone because of ballot harvesting tells you everything you need to know. The practice should be banned, as should most mail-in balloting because of the high potential for fraud. That it is overwhelmingly the Democrat party that pushes for legalization of mail-in voting and ballot harvesting should give anyone pause about their motives.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                            Here's one example of widespread fraud or the look of potential fraud.







                            A Democrat operative dropping of boxes of ballots in Maricopa county. These pictures got the practice banned in Arizona.



                            That an election had to be redone because of ballot harvesting tells you everything you need to know. The practice should be banned, as should most mail-in balloting because of the high potential for fraud. That it is overwhelmingly the Democrat party that pushes for legalization of mail-in voting and ballot harvesting should give anyone pause about their motives.
                            Yep, and it was done in North Carolina by the Republicans in the 9th Congressional District. They got caught and the election is being redone next month.
                            We are not now that strength which in old days
                            Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                            Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                            To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Massena View Post

                              Yep, and it was done in North Carolina by the Republicans in the 9th Congressional District. They got caught and the election is being redone next month.
                              That's just one case. In California, Orange County a long time bastion of Conservativism and Republican control suddenly flipped Blue and elected Democrats right after ballot harvesting was permitted there. There's a damn good chance that was a massive case of voter fraud by Democrats.
                              Al Franken's election is another case of voter fraud that was poo poo'ed at the time.

                              So, while you trot out a case of Republican voter fraud, and rightly, there are as much as 10 times that by the Democrats.

                              Here's a case of ongoing fraud in Miami (the New Times is a Progressive alt-newspaper) with both sides doing it.

                              https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/m...story-11181102

                              https://miamiherald.typepad.com/nake...raud-case.html

                              https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/g...ted-republican

                              Or, another one from New Hampshire:

                              https://www.unionleader.com/news/cri...78b2f149e.html

                              It's widespread enough that claims should be taken seriously.

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