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    Not that I've ever been a fan of Trump's -- 'cause I haven't -- but the combination of hysteria and amnesia on display these days borders on the comedic. Does anybody here honestly believe that Donald Trump is the first major US politician to be suspected of serving a foreign interest?

    Senator Joe Lieberman, serving aptly as John McCain’s foreign policy attack dog, jumped on a conference call with reporters on Wednesday to rip holes into Barack Obama‘s stance on Israel. . . . .

    The crux of Lieberman’s argument, however, was that Obama was putting the blame for Iran’s rise in the Middle East on America’s doorstep, pushing the argument that the Iraq war had strengthened Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s standing in the region and left Israel less secure.

    “If Israel is in danger today it is not because of us foreign policy, which has been strongly supportive of Israel in every way,” he said. “It is not because of what we have done in Iraq. It is because Iran is a fanatical, terrorist, expansionist state and has a leader and a leadership that constantly threatens to extinguish the state of Israel.”

    "Obama In Heated Conversation With Lieberman," by Sam Stein, Huffington Post, 25 May 2011
    Congresswoman Barbara Lee (D-CA) is making headlines again as only she can – by being on the wrong side once again.

    Her latest hobby horse is her recent trip to Cuba for a visit with Raul Castro – Fidel’s little brother who for decades ran the army, secret police, intelligence services and hard currency laundering operations.

    Lee led a congressional delegation to Havana for a 4-1/2 hour meeting with Raul Castro, telling reporters, "All of us are convinced that President Castro would like normal relations and would see normalization, ending the embargo, as beneficial to both countries." Reuters reported that Lee’s delegation "avoided specifics" with Castro "but were struck by his humor, impressed by his involvement in Third World causes and firm in their belief that he wants to end U.S.-Cuba enmity."

    The meeting between Castro, Lee, and five other members of the Congressional Black Caucus, took place in secret without the customary presence of a US State Department official. No reporters attended, and according to the New York Times, Cuban television, which covered the visit, offered no details of what was said.

    Xinhua, the Chinese propaganda agency, described the Castro-Lee meeting as a "closed-door discussion, whose details were undisclosed."

    Barbara Lee presently chairs the Congressional Black Caucus. She has a long history of support for the Castro regime and its surrogates. She provided counterintelligence support to the regime in Grenada in 1980, tipping off the Cuban-backed government to a possible anti-communist spy in the office of Marxist-Leninist premier Maurice Bishop.

    At the time, she was a member the staff of Rep. Ronald V. Dellums (D-CA), whom she succeeded in Congress. US military forces liberated Grenada in October 1983, with Lee among the leading activists opposing the operation, which President Ronald Reagan ordered. Regime documents that US troops captured, now stored at the National Archives, show Lee’s involvement with the Grenadan and Cuban regimes.

    "‘My Darling Comrade Leader’: Barbara Lee & friends coddling dictators," by J Michael Waller, Center for Security Policy, 8 Apr 2009
    American emissaries who reported the status of conditions concern- ing the Soviets were either bypassed or disregarded if their views were critical of the Soviets. When some of the emissaries expressed anti-Soviet observations, President Roosevelt sent his personal repre- sentative to confer directly with Marshal Stalin. This was borne out by testimony of Ambassador Standley, who said that when he warned against Russia’s postwar plans for forming a pro-Soviet bloc of nations around the U. S. S. R., President Roose- velt sent Wendell Willkie to confer with Stalin. Mr. Standley said he was not given the details of Mr. Willkie’s mission. . . . .
    This committee heard testimony and studied documents which clearly show President Roosevelt himself appeared concerned about Polish-Soviet relations. When Marshal Stalin informed the Presi- dent of his decision to break off diplomatic relations with the Poles following their demand for an International Red Cross investigation of Katyn, Mr. Roosevelt sent a personal message urging Stalin to reconsider his action. The tone of Mr. Roosevelt’s message clearly demonstrated his desire, above all, to retain cordial relations with the Soviets. (See exhibit 17, pt. VII of the published hearings.) When again, in 1944, former Ambassador George Howard Earle, who served as a special emissary for President Roosevelt in the Balkans, tried to convince Mr. Roosevelt that the Soviets were guilty of the Katyn massacre, the President dismissed the suggestion. Testifying before this committee that he based his statement to the President on secret documents and photographs of Katyn clearly establishing Soviet guilt, Mr. Earle quoted the President as replying : "George, this is entirely German propaganda and a German plot. I am absolutely convinced the Russians did not do this." . . . .
    'Full text of "Katyn Forest Massacre Final Report,"'SELECT COMMITTEE TO CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION AND STUDY OF THE FACTS,EVIDENCE, AND CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE KATYN FOREST MASSACRE, 82nd Congress Archives-dot-org
    I'm not in the least defending Trump -- whose frankly indefensible -- but if one is going to quote the likes of a Joe Lieberman or a Barbara Lee in order to try to impugn Trump's patriotism, then one risks looking like either an ignoramus, a hypocrite, or an hysteric -- and quite possibly all three. Please, let's all keep our panties on, shall we.
    I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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    Obama campaigned as a globalist liberal, the country got what they voted for. Trump campaigned as a nationalist and claimed he would "put America first". Instead, he has continued Obama and Bush's globalist policies, so the people did not get what they voted for.
    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
    - Benjamin Franklin

    The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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    • #3
      ^ How has Trump continued Bush's and Obama's polices? By pulling out of TPP? By wrecking NAFTA? By threatening tariff wars with Mexico and the PRC? By criticizing NATO?
      I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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      • #4
        He pulled out of NAFTA and then signed what was essentially the same deal. It was nothing more than a publicity stunt, nothing of any significance changed.

        He has continued Obama's war in Syria, despite saying he wouldn't, and he is continuing Bush's overall strategy in the middle east. At least, the core goals of it.

        Criticizing NATO countries to increase their role in world dominance is not hardly a break from globalist policy.

        Tariff wars have hurt American business and taxpayers.
        "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
        - Benjamin Franklin

        The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
          Not that I've ever been a fan of Trump's -- 'cause I haven't -- but the combination of hysteria and amnesia on display these days borders on the comedic. Does anybody here honestly believe that Donald Trump is the first major US politician to be suspected of serving a foreign interest?







          I'm not in the least defending Trump -- whose frankly indefensible -- but if one is going to quote the likes of a Joe Lieberman or a Barbara Lee in order to try to impugn Trump's patriotism, then one risks looking like either an ignoramus, a hypocrite, or an hysteric -- and quite possibly all three. Please, let's all keep our panties on, shall we.
          We're not wearing panties.
          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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          • #6
            Yet another thinly disguised TDS thread. I'm not looking forward to next year on this forum at all.
            Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

              We're not wearing panties.


              Thank you for that uncomfortable TMI moment . . . .
              I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                We're not wearing panties.
                Way too much information!

                Pruitt
                Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

                Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

                by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"

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                • #9
                  As a potus What trump has done with Israel and Omar is totally unique and anti American. Congressman and senators are a different story but we are talking about a potus here. Trump puts himself in these spots it’s his own fault. And if trump did this with a Muslim majority country well we know how some on the right would act.

                  And trump is not the best bet for Israel. Israeli politicians better put there confidence in a liberal democrat
                  Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                  Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                  George S Patton

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Pruitt View Post

                    Way too much information!

                    Pruitt
                    Would you prefer to be wearing them instead? And why aren't you wearing men's underwear like I am?
                    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                    • #11
                      It is a mystery to me!

                      Pruitt
                      Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

                      Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

                      by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Pruitt View Post

                        Way too much information!

                        Pruitt
                        There is an ominous parallel to our age of too much information for our 'barriers.'
                        during the Wars of the Roses, both Phillip the Bold of the breakaway state of Burgundy, and Louis the Spider , king of France, extended a warm welcome to the new printing presses.

                        One of their first leading 'exports' was propaganda to England, with the spider supporting the Lancastrian cause, and The Bold duke supporting the Yorkist side.

                        Pamphlets soon appeared on church, pub, etc doors castigating and demonizing the 'other side'. Literate ( barely) villagers were used to
                        "if someone took the trouble to read it, it must be - real." approach.
                        The end result? A skirmish between two noble house factions, at st Albans in 1455, escalated by 1460 into mass battles in which civility, sanctuary, ransom, and quarter for the defeated vanished form the Battles.
                        Towton, in 1461, with 28,000 casualties in one day of blade war, was the eclipse.

                        a parable for our times...?
                        The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by marktwain View Post

                          There is an ominous parallel to our age of too much information for our 'barriers.'
                          during the Wars of the Roses, both Phillip the Bold of the breakaway state of Burgundy, and Louis the Spider , king of France, extended a warm welcome to the new printing presses.

                          One of their first leading 'exports' was propaganda to England, with the spider supporting the Lancastrian cause, and The Bold duke supporting the Yorkist side.

                          Pamphlets soon appeared on church, pub, etc doors castigating and demonizing the 'other side'. Literate ( barely) villagers were used to
                          "if someone took the trouble to read it, it must be - real." approach.
                          The end result? A skirmish between two noble house factions, at st Albans in 1455, escalated by 1460 into mass battles in which civility, sanctuary, ransom, and quarter for the defeated vanished form the Battles.
                          Towton, in 1461, with 28,000 casualties in one day of blade war, was the eclipse.

                          a parable for our times...?
                          Given the level of literacy amongst the peasantry of the time the contributions of such pamphlets to the attitudes of villagers would have been confined to gratitude to not having to use dock leaves or scratchy hay in the rural privies.
                          Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                          Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MarkV View Post

                            Given the level of literacy amongst the peasantry of the time the contributions of such pamphlets to the attitudes of villagers would have been confined to gratitude to not having to use dock leaves or scratchy hay in the rural privies.
                            To a point.
                            You could get free food, ale and lodging ( attic, etc) by reading the 'nooze' to the locals and arguing the results..
                            Conn Ingulden gave some fascinating radio talks on the CBC , while promoting the wars of the roses four volume set he authored.

                            the pamphlets also had graphic woodcuts for the word challenged...
                            The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
                              Not that I've ever been a fan of Trump's -- 'cause I haven't -- but the combination of hysteria and amnesia on display these days borders on the comedic. Does anybody here honestly believe that Donald Trump is the first major US politician to be suspected of serving a foreign interest?

                              I'm not in the least defending Trump -- whose frankly indefensible -- but if one is going to quote the likes of a Joe Lieberman or a Barbara Lee in order to try to impugn Trump's patriotism, then one risks looking like either an ignoramus, a hypocrite, or an hysteric -- and quite possibly all three. Please, let's all keep our panties on, shall we.
                              The Left makes it too easy. They have enough dirty laundry to go commercial and never be short for work. The Right has it's idiots and scum, but the Left is nothing but idiots and scum-- you just don't hear about it as much as the MSM runs heavy interference for them.

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