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  • OP - ED, Democrats are the true election meddlers

    This is a very well written Op Ed that lays out some of the many times Democrats have sought foreign intervention into our elections.

    An unabashed history lesson for those with short term memory loss


    The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back.”
    Thus spoke President Barack Obama just a couple of weeks before Election Day 2012. With the race still thought to be tight, he had come to the candidates’ final debate loaded for bear. Earlier in the campaign, his Republican rival, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, had had the temerity to pronounce that Russia was, “without question, our number-one geopolitical foe.” The incumbent president regarded this as an absurd anachronism. So that night, he brought the snark. Hadn’t anyone informed Romney that “the Cold War’s been over for 20 years”?
    Obama tut-tutted that this Republican nostalgia for the foreign policy of the 1980s was of a piece with the GOP’s desire to revive the “social policy of the 1950s and the economic policies of the 1920s.” Yes, that was your Democratic-party standard-bearer, what seems like only yesterday. No longer was this the party of Harry Truman and Jack Kennedy. To Obama-era Democrats, arguing that Russia was a real threat, that it longed for a return to Soviet hegemony, was akin to calling for the return of Jim Crow and the adoption of protectionist practices that helped ignite the Great Depression.
    But then Hillary Clinton lost the 2016 election, and Democrats decided they’d best return that call from the 1980s after all. It turns out Russia — the Russia against whose serial aggressions Obama took little meaningful action throughout his eight years in office — really is our Numero Uno geopolitical foe. Turns out the Cold War isn’t “so last century.” Since November 8, 2016, in ever-evolving Democratic dogma, Russia has gone from a quaint obsession of neocon warmongers to an existential threat on the order of Climate Change!
    As is generally the case, neither extreme of political posturing has been accurate. Romney was right that Putin’s Russia is a significant rival on the world stage. Whether it is “number one” on the tally sheet is debatable. To figure that out, we’d have to make judgment calls about all the threats we face — immediate versus long-term, forcible versus other forms of aggression, ideological versus transactional, and so on. No need to dawdle over that. It suffices to say that the Russian regime is a serious adversary. It has a formidable nuclear arsenal, as well as highly capable military and intelligence forces. Its default posture is anti-American (though it is biddable). It cooperates effectively with other anti-American regimes and factions. Its veto power in the United Nations Security Council complicates our government’s capacity to act in American interests. It has a Soviet iciness about the use of terrorism and forges alliances with terrorists in the pursuit of its interests. The regime is ruthless in its determination to remain in power, it has revanchist ambitions, and it is shrewd in testing the West’s resolve — or lack of same — to respond to incremental aggressions that implicate NATO and other commitments.
    At the same time, Putin’s Russia is not the Soviet Union. The Cold War really is over. We are not in a bipolar global order, rivaled by a tyrannical Soviet empire. Modern Russia is a fading country. Its first-rate weaponry, armed forces, and intelligence agencies scarcely obscure its third-rate economy, declining population, pervasive societal dysfunction (high levels of drunkenness, disease, and unemployment), and lowering life expectancy. Behind the façade of democratic elections and constitutional restraints, Russia has less a principled system of government than a marriage of rulers, oligarchs, and organized crime. To endure, Vladimir Putin’s regime must terrorize the Russian people. Nevertheless, it is a pale imitation of the brutal Soviet behemoth that imploded nearly 30 years ago when the Berlin Wall fell, the Iron Curtain lifted, and tens of millions of enslaved subjects broke free.
    Does Russia have the wherewithal to “interfere in our elections,” as the media-Democrat trope puts it? If by “interference” — or its frequently invoked synonym, “meddling” — we refer to the ability to inject propaganda and attempt to influence the campaign debate, then of course it can interfere. And it does. That is what capable governments do to other countries. It is not only what the Soviet Union always did, and what Putin’s Russia does throughout the West and in other parts of the world of consequence to Russian interests; it is what our own government does.
    The United States is among the most active participants in the election-interference game. “We’ve been doing this kind of thing since the C.I.A. was created in 1947,” Loch K. Johnson, an acclaimed scholar of U.S. intelligence, told the New York Times in 2018. “We’ve used posters, pamphlets, mailers, banners — you name it. We’ve planted false information in foreign newspapers. We’ve used what the British call ‘King George’s cavalry’: suitcases of cash.”
    Democrats, moreover, conveniently forget that they’ve historically welcomed such mischief-making. As historian Steven F. Hayward recounts, President Jimmy Carter used such emissaries as billionaire industrialist Armand Hammer and National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski to seek Soviet accommodations that could help in the 1980 campaign against Ronald Reagan. This mirrored the tactics of the 1976 campaign, during which Democratic eminence Averell Harriman conveyed to the Soviet foreign ministry that Carter was anxious to negotiate and would be more agreeable to deal with than then-President Gerald Ford.
    By the 1984 campaign, it was the renowned “Lion of the Senate,” Ted Kennedy, pleading with Soviet leader Yuri Andropov for help in the Democrats’ futile effort to stop the Reagan landslide. The Hoover Institution’s Peter Robinson, a Reagan speechwriter, provided details of the unabashed quid pro quo, outlined in a 1983 KGB memorandum. Through his confidant, former California Democratic senator John Tunney, Kennedy told Andropov, “The only real potential threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet–American relations . . . These issues . . . will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign.”
    Kennedy offered to visit Andropov in Moscow to provide Soviet officials with pointers on the challenges of nuclear disarmament “so they may be better prepared and more convincing during appearances in the USA.” Having thus offered to update their propaganda, Kennedy further proposed arranging to have television networks give Andropov air time for “a direct appeal . . . to the American people.” Tunney went on to advise the Russians that, while his friend wanted to run for president in 1988, “Kennedy does not discount that during the 1984 campaign, the Democratic Party may officially turn to him to lead the fight against Republicans and elect their candidate president.”
    Now that’s some collusion right there.
    There is nothing unusual about it, though. President Bill Clinton labored to ensure that Russia’s reformer president (and Putin patron) Boris Yeltsin would not be defeated by a Soviet-style Communist in 1996. President Obama sedulously worked against Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, first attempting to force progressives into his right-leaning governing coalition, then dedicating U.S. taxpayer funds to a failed effort to defeat Netanyahu in 2015. Nothing new there: Clinton had unsuccessfully tried to defeat Netanyahu nearly 20 years earlier, later telling Israeli television, “I tried to do it in a way that didn’t overtly involve me.”
    As these things go, it would have been shocking if Moscow had not attempted to meddle in our 2016 election. Putting aside the Russians’ general penchant for anti-American mischief-making, in 2011 Putin had publicly blamed then–Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for inciting unrest following Russia’s typically rigged parliamentary elections. So, the 2016 campaign was not just business as usual. There was an element of score-settling. And Putin being a canny strongman, the point was to sow discord and make life difficult for what he fully expected would be the new Clinton administration.
    There are good reasons to doubt the sincerity of assurances by Kremlin-tied operatives that Putin wanted Trump to win. Russia’s modus operandi in the West is to agitate minority factions it believes are going to lose — whether it would prefer to see them to win or not. That is how Moscow promotes strife and makes it more difficult for the incumbent government to pursue its interests. But even if we accept at face value Russian assertions that Putin wanted Trump to win, there is no reason to think Putin believed Trump would win.
    Nobody did. Not even Donald Trump himself.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opini...ers/ar-AAFQglS


    Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
    Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

  • #2
    And I notice that none of our Democrats with TDS have said anything.
    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      And I notice that none of our Democrats with TDS have said anything.
      Since I'm not a Democrat and don't believe in your imagined TDS conspiracy, it should be noted that while the author of the above article used to be a good prosecutor with the Justice Department he is now a right wing conspiracy theorist whose opinions should be taken with a very large salt pill.
      We are not now that strength which in old days
      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
        And I notice that none of our Democrats with TDS have said anything.
        You spoke too early.
        "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Massena View Post

          Since I'm not a Democrat and don't believe in your imagined TDS conspiracy, it should be noted that while the author of the above article used to be a good prosecutor with the Justice Department he is now a right wing conspiracy theorist whose opinions should be taken with a very large salt pill.
          TDS is not imagined or a conspiracy, but a mental disorder, brought on, by the defeat of a pre-anointed candidate fielded by democRats!
          Trying hard to be the Man, that my Dog believes I am!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Trung Si View Post

            TDS is not imagined or a conspiracy, but a mental disorder, brought on, by the defeat of a pre-anointed candidate fielded by democRats!
            Keep telling yourself that. Perhaps the continued insistence on 'TDS' is nothing more than projection which is a psychiatric phenomenon:

            'Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unpleasant impulses by denying their existence while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is habitually rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. It can take the form of blame shifting.'
            We are not now that strength which in old days
            Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
            Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
            To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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            • #7
              The worst thing that can happen with Democrats is having a close election. When that happens the gloves come off and the rampant fraud to win starts.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                The worst thing that can happen with Democrats is having a close election. When that happens the gloves come off and the rampant fraud to win starts.
                We'll have to see whether that happens or not. You are correct about rampant fraud with respect to Trump, though. He is inherently dishonest and a proven liar.
                We are not now that strength which in old days
                Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Massena View Post

                  We'll have to see whether that happens or not. You are correct about rampant fraud with respect to Trump, though. He is inherently dishonest and a proven liar.
                  https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs...gh-voter-fraud

                  https://www.forbes.com/sites/billfre.../#3c646ddd4998

                  https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-sha...covered-texas/

                  https://www.politico.com/states/flor...igation-701989

                  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ud/1947000002/

                  https://nypost.com/2017/07/14/the-vo...refuse-to-see/

                  https://greatamericandaily.com/democ...g-voter-fraud/

                  https://dailycaller.com/2016/10/20/h...-in-23-states/

                  While Republicans do engage in voter fraud, they are rank amateurs compared to the Democrats. These days, every election is suspect when it comes to Democrats and voter fraud. But, if it isn't close, they can't cheat.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Trung Si View Post

                    TDS is not imagined or a conspiracy, but a mental disorder, brought on, by the defeat of a pre-anointed candidate fielded by democRats!
                    Now THAT is a mental disorder, your reply
                    "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                    Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                    you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Massena View Post

                      Since I'm not a Democrat and don't believe in your imagined TDS conspiracy, it should be noted that while the author of the above article used to be a good prosecutor with the Justice Department he is now a right wing conspiracy theorist whose opinions should be taken with a very large salt pill.
                      As usual. Attack the author, ignore the topic.
                      Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                      Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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                      • #12
                        As happens all the time, from all sides....
                        "For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Rutger View Post
                          As happens all the time, from all sides....
                          When Carter or Ted Kennedy openly reached out to leaders of the Soviet Union were they attacked by the press?
                          When Bill Clinton openly and with much fanfare backed Boris Yeltsin was there any criticism from the western news agencies about the US interference in the Russian elections?
                          I am not being naive, I know that nations have been trying to influence the outcome of elections in other nations for a very long time. But the Democrats seem to have been totally unaware of this historic fact even though the Democrat presidential candidates have participated in the activity.
                          Putin is a die hard party member, a KGB officer, it is no secret that he believes the collapse of the Soviet Union was a western conspiracy. He has made no secret that he holds Gorbachev in contempt and despised Yeltsin. It therefore should surprise nobody that he would see Hillary's campaign as an opportunity for payback.
                          The failure of of intelligence agencies to foresee the possibility of Putin seeking to cause havoc in our elections, and other elections is inexcusable.
                          When will Congress demand hearings into that?
                          Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                          Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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