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  • Originally posted by Massena View Post
    On the other hand, this refusal to let the two Congresswomen into Israel is an insult both to the Congress and the United States.
    Like some say, when Trump uses words they don't like,
    " Words do matter"!


    Trying hard to be the Man, that my Dog believes I am!

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    • Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

      TAG the issue is that no one here or anywhere can produce one anti Jewish comment by Omar. Brother that is the issue. The MSA is a separate topic from Omars alleged anti Jewish comments. The MSA is filled with liberal Muslims like Omar that are pro LGBT. I dont know if you are aware, but we have Muslim Student groups across the USA same with Jewish student groups of which its members provide a diversity of views. As you saw, no where has Omar ever made a antisemitic comment in the videos you posted.

      Nowhere has the very few of ACG that claim that Omar or Talib said something anti Jewish been able to prove such an allegation. All the far right has is to lie, which is anti American. "Socialist" is not anywhere near the same as anti Jewish, after all Jewish Student groups were formed in the Soviet Union. If anything there is a interest in socialism from some Jews and Muslims. Its the far right that spins and lies every day tag, trying to get good folk like you to be against minorities. Our fellow Americans are members of the MSA groups, its no different then how Jews are members of Jewish student groups.


      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillel_International

      I would highly recommend looking into the MSA...This is America not Israel, not Saudi Arabia. We are free and we have groups like the MSA that have a diverse group of members. If the MSA was so bad it would be banned in the USA. Its truly a disgrace and anti American the types of things Horowitz has said. You know TAG on this one its clear Omar is not anti Jewish, because no one will ever apparently be able to show Omar saying anything even close to antisemitism...unlike Trump spiritual adviser Pastor Jeffress whom speaks against Jews and Muslims. Its the far right that is very anti American and they are trying to influence your views. Ill agree that some Jews, Muslims and Christians are bigots but its anti American to single out groups or to lie about how politicians like Omar or Talib view issues.

      Even if Omar said I think Jews hate us, I think Judaism hates us that only means Omar is on the same level as Trump whom provably said that I think Islam hates us. This topic is probably the easiest topic to discuss because the facts are in front of us...we know what Trump said, and no one has been able to prove that Omar ever made one anti Jewish comment. Its the most anti American thing for some on the right to complain about comments from Omar that do not exist when in fact Trump and his inner circle(Such as Pastor Jeffress) have openly denigrated Jews and Muslims.
      Here's an unequivocally clear statement from Omar showing her as anti-Semitic and anti-Israel.



      Here's another:



      Or her one-sided view of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict:



      As for the MSA... You obviously didn't watch the videos. The MSA is filled with bigoted, racist, hate filled people who are not just anti-Semitic but advocate for terrorism and true genocide. MSA's have been banned from some campuses for their overt pushing of such vile ideas.
      Even internally, various MSA chapters have exhibited racism towards non-Arab Muslim students that join.

      https://www.globalmbwatch.com/2015/1...-associations/

      https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/...nd-canada-msa/

      https://www.investigativeproject.org...ts/misc/31.pdf

      https://www.huffpost.com/entry/confe...tion_b_4863368

      So, I have looked into the MSA. It is shot through and through with hatred, racism, support for terrorism, and everything the alt-Right and radical Right is usually accused of. In the UCSD student video the lady openly tells students to come out to the MSA's "Hitler Youth Week."
      Your argument that "
      If the MSA was so bad it would be banned in the USA" falls flat. Neo-Nazi groups are bad but they aren't banned. The Hillsborough Church is bad but it isn't banned. That's because in the USA we have free speech and that includes the Right to spew hate speech. So, the MSA can spew its brand of hatred just like any other hate group can.

      The only difference is, that the MSA is seen as on the Left so unlike radical Right groups that are universally reviled, the Left ignores and / or makes excuses for the MSA. The Left won't acknowledge their own brands of bigotry, hatred, and racism or that they have such a problem in their ranks.


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      • Originally posted by Massena View Post
        On the other hand, this refusal to let the two Congresswomen into Israel is an insult both to the Congress and the United States.
        And their behavior is also an insult both to America and to Israel. It is impossible to offend Congress; being offensive themselves is their stock in trade. They are the party attacking and threatening the president on a daily basis, fabricating false charges, threatening harm to his family and protecting the criminals within their own ranks at the same time.

        So long as the Clinton's remain free, never mind the rest of the party stormtroopers, the Democratic Party has no credibility and can never claim to represent any ethical or moral position,especially on behalf of two radical Muslim racists.

        Do these two women represent your beliefs? They certainly do not represent mine, and as a responsible American I want nothing to do with them at all.
        Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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        • Please explain how Tlaib is a racist?
          We are not now that strength which in old days
          Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
          Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
          To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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          • Originally posted by Massena View Post
            Please explain how Tlaib is a racist?
            she must be, because she works up the current POTUS's blood pressure!

            From a cross border perspective, it's hard to understand why he vents his spleen on two very junior members of
            Congress. Dwight \Eisenhower would have just chuckled.
            The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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            • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

              Here's an unequivocally clear statement from Omar showing her as anti-Semitic and anti-Israel.



              Here's another:



              Or her one-sided view of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict:



              As for the MSA... You obviously didn't watch the videos. The MSA is filled with bigoted, racist, hate filled people who are not just anti-Semitic but advocate for terrorism and true genocide. MSA's have been banned from some campuses for their overt pushing of such vile ideas.
              Even internally, various MSA chapters have exhibited racism towards non-Arab Muslim students that join.
              RO
              https://www.globalmbwatch.com/2015/1...-associations/

              https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/...nd-canada-msa/

              https://www.investigativeproject.org...ts/misc/31.pdf

              https://www.huffpost.com/entry/confe...tion_b_4863368

              So, I have looked into the MSA. It is shot through and through with hatred, racism, support for terrorism, and everything the alt-Right and radical Right is usually accused of. In the UCSD student video the lady openly tells students to come out to the MSA's "Hitler Youth Week."
              Your argument that "
              If the MSA was so bad it would be banned in the USA" falls flat. Neo-Nazi groups are bad but they aren't banned. The Hillsborough Church is bad but it isn't banned. That's because in the USA we have free speech and that includes the Right to spew hate speech. So, the MSA can spew its brand of hatred just like any other hate group can.

              The only difference is, that the MSA is seen as on the Left so unlike radical Right groups that are universally reviled, the Left ignores and / or makes excuses for the MSA. The Left won't acknowledge their own brands of bigotry, hatred, and racism or that they have such a problem in their ranks.

              One huge concern with the various Palestinian movements is that they believe their own myths. Up to 1967, the Arabic nations had won the wars in the middle east hands down. Over 300,000 more Jews had been evicted form \Arabic lands than Moslems from the Palestine MANDATE.
              Approx.. 150,000 plus of the Palestinians evicted in the Naqba were -- 'Christian Palestinians, mainly cleared form the Galilee, and resettled by Caritas , mainly in \south \America.

              Israel needed a fall back position in the Galilee.
              The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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              • What's really starkly being shown here is the divide between Left and the Rest of Us. Look at how easily Trump is smeared as racist. Here's some examples:

                "Go back to where you came from..." First, the quote is usually not done accurately. Second, telling someone that doesn't make them racist. It makes them a grade A @$$hole. After all, you can tell anyone of any ethnicity that.

                It is claimed that Trump being part of the "birther" movement proves he's racist. Again, questioning someone's place of birth when that's relevant to holding public office doesn't make you a racist. Were people questioning Ted Cruz's or John McCain's place of birth racists?

                Referring to nations in Africa, or like Haiti, as "$h!+holes" doesn't make you racist. Many of these countries really are. Ever been to say Haiti? I have. It's a $h!+hole.

                Referring to the mass illegal entry happening on the Southern border of the US as an "invasion" doesn't make you a racist. It makes you observant.

                Being misquoted on remarks about Charlottesville, repeatedly, doesn't make someone racist. It makes those misquoting look like idiots.

                You get the idea here. Trump though, is trotted out as a through and through racist in the MSM and by the Left. Doesn't matter how absurd, illogical, and counterfactual their claims are. He must be simply because he's who he is and the Left hates him.

                Trump might be a racist, but to date what the MSM and Left have tossed out as proof is thinner and less viable than wet toilet paper.

                But, when a Leftist is attacked for being a racist, no matter how obvious, they are instantly and voraciously defended by the Left even to the point of throwing every insult in the book at the person making the claim. No amount of proof however solid, will do for them.

                For example, Al Sharpton has lost lawsuits for slander and deformation of character over racist remarks like those about NY prosecutor Steve Pagones.

                In 1995, Sharpton led a protest in Harlem against the plans of Freddy's Fashion Mart, a Jewish-owned clothing store, to expand into a black neighborhood, displacing a black retailer. Sharpton told the protesters, "We will not stand by and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business." Three months later, an armed protester forcibly entered the store and burned it down, killing himself and seven others.

                Yet, where's Sharpton today? He's a commentator on MSNBC! It be like FOX putting David Duke on as a commentator. But, that's the Left's double standard.

                Omar and Tlaib are anti-Semitic, racist, bigots. Their actions, past associations, and comments show it. Yet, the demand is for ever more evidence.


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                • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                  What's really starkly being shown here is the divide between Left and the Rest of Us. Look at how easily Trump is smeared as racist. Here's some examples:

                  "Go back to where you came from..." First, the quote is usually not done accurately. Second, telling someone that doesn't make them racist. It makes them a grade A @$$hole. After all, you can tell anyone of any ethnicity that.

                  It is claimed that Trump being part of the "birther" movement proves he's racist. Again, questioning someone's place of birth when that's relevant to holding public office doesn't make you a racist. Were people questioning Ted Cruz's or John McCain's place of birth racists?

                  Referring to nations in Africa, or like Haiti, as "$h!+holes" doesn't make you racist. Many of these countries really are. Ever been to say Haiti? I have. It's a $h!+hole.

                  Referring to the mass illegal entry happening on the Southern border of the US as an "invasion" doesn't make you a racist. It makes you observant.

                  Being misquoted on remarks about Charlottesville, repeatedly, doesn't make someone racist. It makes those misquoting look like idiots.

                  You get the idea here. Trump though, is trotted out as a through and through racist in the MSM and by the Left. Doesn't matter how absurd, illogical, and counterfactual their claims are. He must be simply because he's who he is and the Left hates him.

                  Trump might be a racist, but to date what the MSM and Left have tossed out as proof is thinner and less viable than wet toilet paper.

                  But, when a Leftist is attacked for being a racist, no matter how obvious, they are instantly and voraciously defended by the Left even to the point of throwing every insult in the book at the person making the claim. No amount of proof however solid, will do for them.

                  For example, Al Sharpton has lost lawsuits for slander and deformation of character over racist remarks like those about NY prosecutor Steve Pagones.

                  In 1995, Sharpton led a protest in Harlem against the plans of Freddy's Fashion Mart, a Jewish-owned clothing store, to expand into a black neighborhood, displacing a black retailer. Sharpton told the protesters, "We will not stand by and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business." Three months later, an armed protester forcibly entered the store and burned it down, killing himself and seven others.

                  Yet, where's Sharpton today? He's a commentator on MSNBC! It be like FOX putting David Duke on as a commentator. But, that's the Left's double standard.

                  Omar and Tlaib are anti-Semitic, racist, bigots. Their actions, past associations, and comments show it. Yet, the demand is for ever more evidence.

                  The really unsettling thing about all of this is the number of people who cling to their hatreds and prejudices despite all evidence to the contrary. These are people who vote like the rest of us, but their choices are not based on the good of the nation.

                  As for Sharpton,that is the function of a "community organizer", the vocation of Obama: make everything racial and then organize to overthrow what you do not like while being paid handsomely to foment racism, bigotry and violence. And when you are a community organizer from Chicago? You get an Obama, determined to turn all of America into a racist, violent nation for his benefit, and he did benefit very well.
                  Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                  • Originally posted by Massena View Post

                    Are they anti-Semitic or anti-Israel? There is a difference. And if Tlaib is of Arab ancestry, how can she be anti-Semitic as the Jews and Arabs are both Semitic peoples?
                    we had a major debate about this in 2016-17.
                    Palestinians are actually 80-85 of Jewish ancestry, with a 15 - 20 % Arabian infusion via overlords, mainly.

                    5 this is roughly the same genetic shift the Ashkenazi have
                    The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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                      Last edited by Stonewall_Jack; 20 Aug 19, 15:49.
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                      • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                        Here's an unequivocally clear statement from Omar showing her as anti-Semitic and anti-Israel.



                        Here's another:



                        Or her one-sided view of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict:



                        As for the MSA... You obviously didn't watch the videos. The MSA is filled with bigoted, racist, hate filled people who are not just anti-Semitic but advocate for terrorism and true genocide. MSA's have been banned from some campuses for their overt pushing of such vile ideas.
                        Even internally, various MSA chapters have exhibited racism towards non-Arab Muslim students that join.

                        https://www.globalmbwatch.com/2015/1...-associations/

                        https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/...nd-canada-msa/

                        https://www.investigativeproject.org...ts/misc/31.pdf

                        https://www.huffpost.com/entry/confe...tion_b_4863368

                        So, I have looked into the MSA. It is shot through and through with hatred, racism, support for terrorism, and everything the alt-Right and radical Right is usually accused of. In the UCSD student video the lady openly tells students to come out to the MSA's "Hitler Youth Week."
                        Your argument that "
                        If the MSA was so bad it would be banned in the USA" falls flat. Neo-Nazi groups are bad but they aren't banned. The Hillsborough Church is bad but it isn't banned. That's because in the USA we have free speech and that includes the Right to spew hate speech. So, the MSA can spew its brand of hatred just like any other hate group can.

                        The only difference is, that the MSA is seen as on the Left so unlike radical Right groups that are universally reviled, the Left ignores and / or makes excuses for the MSA. The Left won't acknowledge their own brands of bigotry, hatred, and racism or that they have such a problem in their ranks.




                        I watched the videos, nothing has been shown showing Omar saying something anti Jewish.

                        These sources your bring fourth are anti-Americans that dislike freedom and they are trying to brainwash you. These folks that are posting this nonsense about Omar are not even welcomed by many people in Israel. Many in Israel would rather gladly welcome somebody like me into their home but never somebody like an anti-Muslim


                        None of what you posted is anywhere near anti-Jewish . And itís nowhere near as bad as what Trump and his closest associates have said about Muslims , Jews and non-whites

                        I have attended a MSA meeting where a Muslim in front of everybody took the microphone basically grab the microphone and went on praising LGBT rights to the chigrin of some
                        Muslims . I cannot believe that these anti-American sources are out there making up nonsense about Omar... but itís up to guys like me and you to not buy into the anti Americans that lie about Omar because they dislike our country and everything we stand for

                        One can not produce one single anti-Jewish comment from Omar. And the other point still remains wrt the Muslim student Association we already have Jewish student groups and both groups have bigots thatís just a part of life.. Both groups are accepted if they were so bad they would be labeled as terror groups and banned. The msa is similar To Jewish groups. I have attended Palestine Israel speaking events at the University of Buffalo and I can absolutely tell you the Muslim and Jewish student groups are similar both have liberals and both have bigots. Neither compares to neo nazis or the alt right.
                        Last edited by Stonewall_Jack; 20 Aug 19, 15:54.
                        Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                        Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                        George S Patton

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                        • Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

                          I watched the videos, nothing has been shown showing Omar saying something anti Jewish.

                          These sources your bring fourth are anti-Americans that dislike freedom and they are trying to brainwash you. These folks that are posting this nonsense about Omar are not even welcomed by many people in Israel. Many in Israel would rather gladly welcome somebody like me into their home but never somebody like an anti-Muslim


                          None of what you posted is anywhere near anti-Jewish . And itís nowhere near as bad as what Trump and his closest associates have said about Muslims , Jews and non-whites

                          I have attended a MSA meeting where a Muslim in front of everybody took the microphone basically grab the microphone and went on praising LGBT rights to the chigrin of some
                          Muslims . I cannot believe that these anti-American sources are out there making up nonsense about Omar... but itís up to guys like me and you to not buy into the anti Americans that lie about Omar because they dislike our country and everything we stand for

                          One can not produce one single anti-Jewish comment from Omar. And the other point still remains wrt the Muslim student Association we already have Jewish student groups and both groups have bigots thatís just a part of life.. Both groups are accepted if they were so bad they would be labeled as terror groups and banned. The msa is similar To Jewish groups. I have attended Palestine Israel speaking events at the University of Buffalo and I can absolutely tell you the Muslim and Jewish student groups are similar both have liberals and both have bigots. Neither compares to neo nazis or the alt right.
                          I've seen clips of her making anti-Semitic statements and statements that all white men should be reduced to subservience under Islam, along with demands for sharia law throughout America. You might want to watch a wider variety of news programs. She's not particular who knows her vitriolic and hateful views, nor are the rest of her little posse.

                          To simply say that "you haven't heard her" is not much of a rebuttal or a defense.The rest of us could say the same thing every time you refer to something Trump has allegedly done.

                          "Nope...didn't see it. Didn't hear anything either."
                          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                          • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                            I've seen clips of her making anti-Semitic statements and statements that all white men should be reduced to subservience under Islam, along with demands for sharia law throughout America. You might want to watch a wider variety of news programs. She's not particular who knows her vitriolic and hateful views, nor are the rest of her little posse.

                            To simply say that "you haven't heard her" is not much of a rebuttal or a defense.The rest of us could say the same thing every time you refer to something Trump has allegedly done.

                            "Nope...didn't see it. Didn't hear anything either."
                            Well partner to each there own. I have watched the videos and read the links TAG posted...nowhere did Omar say what you claim above and nowhere did Omar in any source itt say something anti Jewish. Thats the issue for me and I watch and listen to liberal and conservative outlets.

                            Trump said I think Islam hates us, so even if Omar said I think Jews hate us its in the same league as Trump...But Omar has not said anything of the nature. Omar has her upsides. The following remarks by Trump were anti American.




                            Trump can learn from leaders like Omar, Talib and Obama.




                            Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                            Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

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                            • Omar and Tlaib are not leaders-they are political hacks and showboats with an agenda which may not be in the best interests of the United States.
                              We are not now that strength which in old days
                              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                              • And we need to see the proof that Omar and Talib are anti American, nothing has been shown..its far right propaganda that is trying to suggest Omar and Talib are out to get us.
                                Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                                Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                                George S Patton

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