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  • #61
    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

    Israel does not support terrorism. America often does. Saudi Arabia does. Don't buy any gasoline or you will be supporting terrorists. Meanwhile, we ar allies with the Sauds, who are actually our enemies, especially the Wahabists who are in charge of Saudi Arabia.

    Mossad was not dancing in the streets on 9/11 and you know it because you would not know a Mossad agent if he was sitting in your lap.

    The rest of the Middle East was happy, but not Israel, except, perhaps, those individuals who might have thought we might finally come to our senses, but we didn't.

    Your dislike of Trump is discoloring your view of history. After eight long years of an anti-American, closet-Muslim who refused to allow the entire government yo use the word "terrorist" president I find your views on terrorism and Middle Eastern Alliances surprising, disappointing and disturbing.=

    We're allies with Israel. They don't trust us, which shows how smart they are. We don't trust them, which shows how stupid we are, given that they provide us with the best of our Middle East intel. And they are the only ones who anti-terrorism activities are not totally crippled by PC Disease.

    See you at the synagogue.
    TDS. Trump literally has 0 to do with this discussion.
    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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    • #62
      Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

      Facts: They were seen in New Jersey and arrested in New Jersey.
      You didn't even read your own link, did you?

      According to the police report, one of the passengers told the officers they had been on the West Side Highway in Manhattan "during the incident" ó referring to the World Trade Center attack.

      "Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies?," 20/20, ABC News, from Archive-dot-org, 20 Mar 2007
      - emphasis mine

      Now go back and read it again.

      Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
      Facts: They were seen in New Jersey and arrested in New Jersey.

      No police or witness said they were anywhere else. No police or witness spotted them driving to or from Manhattan. As I said the first time, you're going off of their word, suspects who failed multiple lie detector tests.
      Yet earlier you claimed that they stated that they were with Israeli intelligence -- and that claim is supposed to be taken at face value, as opposed to their claim that they were in Manhattan.... Why the one and not the other? What makes one more especially credible than the other? They frankly both sound like crap -- and apart from one lawyer's blurb, there's no other evidence that those guys were in any way connected to the Israeli gov't. Could they have been? I suppose -- but the evidence suggesting that is no more solid than the evidence which placed them on the West Side Highway.
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      • #63
        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

        Not in the case of Omar. She was / is a member of the Muslim Student's Association. The MSA supports Palestinian terrorism against Israel, has openly called for the destruction of that state and the death of all Jews. She was / is a member of CAIR and has sat on state boards. CAIR is another front organization for Islamic terrorists and it too has indirectly supported the destruction of the state of Israel.
        So, in at least Omar's case Israel has every Right and reason to deny her entry. In fact, it is an affront to the US, and American people that we have an elected member of Congress who supports terrorism and is an anti-Semitic radical.

        https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/...nd-canada-msa/

        Omar ran on the radical Leftist Democratic Farm-Labor Party ticket (a seperate party that aligns with the Democrats and often disguises itself on ballots as "Democrat / Democratic."

        Her seat was previously held by Keith Ellison, the Leftist, racist, hater.

        Omar has failed to condemn Antifa for their actions, and usually avoids answering such questions. Her father was an avoid Communist / Marxist.

        Basically, she's a radical Leftist who supports terrorism, is anti-Semitic, and is all but a Communist politically.
        Third parties have come and gone in the United states since AT LEAST 1789;
        Last edited by marktwain; 16 Aug 19, 15:00.
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        • #64
          Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

          You didn't even read your own link, did you?

          - emphasis mine

          Now go back and read it again.
          It's literally what I just said and said from the start. Do you understand what, "one of the passengers told the officers", means? So, every time someone is pulled over, whatever the suspect says to the officer has to be assumed as fact by your lack of logic.

          Cop: "I recorded you speeding on the 405"
          Suspect: "I was never on the 405"
          INNOCENT, there's a gap in the story.

          "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
          - Benjamin Franklin

          The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

            It's literally what I just said and said from the start. Do you understand what, "one of the passengers told the officers", means? So, every time someone is pulled over, whatever the suspect says to the officer has to be assumed as fact by your lack of logic.

            Cop: "I recorded you speeding on the 405"
            Suspect: "I was never on the 405"
            INNOCENT, there's a gap in the story.

            Why would a dark-skinned guy with a funny accent admit to being in Manhattan that day? True or not, everybody was in such a state of paranoia that that's the last place any Middle Eastern type would want to be, or would want to claim to have been. Yes, there were multiple incidents of "Middle Eastern types" being assaulted in the days and weeks that followed -- Greeks, Armenians, Turks, Hindus, Sikhs. The kind of people who do that kind of thing are not especially particular. So why would such a person claim to a police officer that he was in Manhattan on the morning of 11 Sep 2001 when he wasn't? That is what you're claiming now, isn't it?

            [Edited to add:] Where I live there is a small Middle Eastern community; Syrians and Yemenis mostly, a handful of Christians, but mostly Muslims. Immediately following the attacks on the WTC, they disappeared from the streets, and remained behind closed doors for at least a couple of days, such was their fear that either the authorities would just round them up, or they'd be attacked by local hooligans. In such a climate, I can't imagine why an Israeli -- especially an Israeli spy -- would claim to a police officer that he'd been in Manhattan on the morning of 11 Sep 2001. That's practically suicidal.

            Now that I think of it, they could not have been speeding on westbound NJ-3: it took my father- and brother-in-law nearly three hours to drive from Jersey City to just north of East Rutherford -- under normal conditions a 30 to 40 minute ride -- such was the volume of traffic trying to flee from NYC that day.
            Last edited by slick_miester; 16 Aug 19, 15:09. Reason: I had another thought . . . .
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            • #66
              Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

              Why would a dark-skinned guy with a funny accent admit to being in Manhattan that day? True or not, everybody was in such a state of paranoia that that's the last place any Middle Eastern type would want to be, or would want to claim to have been. Yes, there were multiple incidents of "Middle Eastern types" being assaulted in the days and weeks that followed -- Greeks, Armenians, Turks, Hindus, Sikhs. The kind of people who do that kind of thing are not especially particular. So why would such a person claim to a police officer that he was in Manhattan on the morning of 11 Sep 2001 when he wasn't? That is what you're claiming now, isn't it?
              If his story is true then tell me how he got from Manhattan to New Jersey.

              What I'm claiming is that someone who has failed multiple lie detector tests has obviously shown a willingness (or need) to lie and cover the truth.

              "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
              - Benjamin Franklin

              The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

                If his story is true then tell me how he got from Manhattan to New Jersey.
                His claim of a journey from Manhattan to NJ is no less plausible than his claim of being an Israeli spy . . . . Now why would a spy claim to a cop that he was actually at the scene of the crime? Wouldn't a perp want to construct an alibi that puts him somewhere else? Wouldn't they teach that kind of thing in Israeli spy school?

                Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                What I'm claiming is that someone who has failed multiple lie detector tests has obviously shown a willingness (or need) to lie and cover the truth.
                Excessive caffeine consumption can cause a polygraph to blip . . . . Can someone explain to this dingdong exactly how a poly works -- and why they're not admissible in court.
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

                  His claim of a journey from Manhattan to NJ is no less plausible than his claim of being an Israeli spy . . . . Now why would a spy claim to a cop that he was actually at the scene of the crime? Wouldn't a perp want to construct an alibi that puts him somewhere else? Wouldn't they teach that kind of thing in Israeli spy school?



                  Excessive caffeine consumption can cause a polygraph to blip . . . . Can someone explain to this dingdong exactly how a poly works -- and why they're not admissible in court.
                  His lawyer stated his client failed the test because he used to be in israeli intelligence. Not because of caffeine, but because what they were questioning him about turned out to be true, at least at some point in his life. But, everything that's found to be factual from this story has to dismissed and questioned until you've completely manipulated the truth to fit your own personal preference.

                  We'll have to agree to disagree.
                  "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                  - Benjamin Franklin

                  The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                    Hi

                    Cair and Similar are equivalent of some israeli lobbies in the USA. Some Cair Officials have the same tribal intolerant mindset as do some Israelis settlers....Both groups have supporters of so-called terrorism. So these are the types of people who are the ugliest people in the world and the hope is that their children will grow up to live better lives at the least

                    In the USA huge amounts of Muslims and Jews Marry to different faiths But thatís not allowed in countries like Israel and Saudi Arabia. American Jews and American Muslims are leading their religions they are the best leaders for their religions in the entire world
                    Conveniently for you, you left out the Muslim Student's Association (MSA) to whom Omar belonged for years. The classic Horowitz clip was previously shown. I'll post it again for your review. I particularly like where she invites the crowd to the MSA's "Hitler Youth week."



                    ...
                    the

                    United Arab Emiratesí
                    ministerial cabinet had listed the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) as one of 83 proscribed terrorist organizations, up there with the Taliban, al-Qaeda, and ISIS.
                    When even Islamic states say CAIR supports terrorism, there's a problem with CAIR's credibility they don't. Their Islamic relations don't look all that good...
                    https://www.nationalreview.com/2014/11/cair-terror-group-daniel-pipes/



                    https://thereligionofpeace.com/pages...questions.aspx

                    The evidence against CAIR as a supporter of terrorists is pretty close to overwhelming





                    Last edited by T. A. Gardner; 16 Aug 19, 16:58.

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                    • #70
                      A polygraph can be failed when people are so deep into a role that they are internally hypmatized.
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                      • #71
                        Typical, blame Israel for doing something they have every right to do.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by marktwain View Post

                          Third parties have come and gone in the United states since AT LEAST 1789;


                          third parties are actually a healthy sign of citizen's desire to be heard in the corridors of power

                          The current dominance by two parties in both Canada and the USA is worrisome.
                          A non sequitur. You offer what in essence is a red herring response. It isn't that third parties aren't common, they are.

                          What I argued was about a specific third party, the Democratic Farmer-Labor party. What makes this third party somewhat unique (there are a couple of others that do the same thing like the Democratic Socialist Party) is that they run their candidates not as third parties but as Democratic candidates as part of one of the two major parties.
                          That is, they conceal their third party hard Left status by running as Democrats.

                          In Omar's case she runs as a Democrat but is in fact, a member of a Leftist third party disguising itself as mainstream Democrat party. The advantage to this is twofold. First, she automatically gets on the ballot because of the major party status rather than having to jump through hoops as a minor third party candidate. Second, it conceals the true nature of the party she belongs to behind the more centrist Democratic party.

                          It's really a very clever ploy by the Left to obfuscate who you are voting for and their true political positioning. It's something no Right wing third party has copied.

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                          • #73
                            I feel that Trump has been lacking recently in leadership skills. Speaking of leaders ..Obama was an amazing orator ...a great communicator.

                            Trump should call Obama for advice. For example this situation with Omar is very easy to address for Trump. All Trump has to do is praise Islam and say I think Omar goes against the great values of the beautiful and noble leader of Islam , Muhammad ...Trump could say that Omar needs to be more diplomatic toward Israel which is what Islam commands. Islam and Christianity for that matter urges leaders to disagree with intolerant governments like Israel while disagreeing in a civil manner.






                            The way Trump is handling this is not only bad for Trump itís bad for Israel to. Itís because of situations like this that so many good and loving people around the world are very critical of Israel
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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                              I feel that Trump has been lacking recently in leadership skills. Speaking of leaders ..Obama was an amazing orator ...a great communicator.

                              Trump should call Obama for advice. For example this situation with Omar is very easy to address for Trump. All Trump has to do is praise Islam and say I think Omar goes against the great values of the beautiful and noble leader of Islam , Muhammad ...Trump could say that Omar needs to be more diplomatic toward Israel which is what is Islam commands. islam and Christianity for that matter urges leaders to disagree with intolerant governments like Israel while disagreeing in a civil manner

                              The way Trump is handling this is not only bad for Trump itís bad for Israel to. Itís for situations like this that so many good and loving people around the world are very critical of Israel
                              I agree that Obama, when on script was a great orator. Not so good a communicator, and absolutely awful as an executive officer. That is, he could talk a good game but nobody important was bothering to take him seriously or listen and when it came to getting things done he was completely worthless.

                              On the other hand, Trump is almost the exact opposite. He talks smack and trolls people. He goes off script regularly. A mediocre orator at best. He's a decent communicator though. People take what he says seriously because they've seen he follows through on his words, garbled and laced with ad hominems they may be, more often than not. Whether you agree with what he does is a seperate issue here.
                              As an executive he gets things done. A lot of what Trump has done in office has gone on below the radar so-to-speak.

                              As one small example, Trump wants a wall on the border. The Democrats in particular have fought that tooth and nail. But, Trump has persisted in finding ways to get funding for one, get construction started in some places, and has pretty consistently tried to get full funding. Obama by this point would have moved on to the next shiny object having given up trying and blaming whoever on his "team" he handed off that project to along with other parties holding himself blameless for its failure.
                              I give you his attempt at gun control. He put Biden in charge of that. It went nowhere. When it failed it was all Congress's fault and Biden's inability to get them onboard. Obama had no role in the failure... At least from his perspective.

                              So, Trump's handling of the Omar / Tlaib - Israel imbroglio is typical Trump. He trolled the congresswomen and Israel and most are focused on that. But, Omar is still banned from entering, and Tlaib is now in a position of having to deepen her anti-Israel and anti-Semitic positions as a result. Trump got the results he wanted and all the flailing about his words and trolling won't make a nickel's worth of difference to change that.


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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

                                His claim of a journey from Manhattan to NJ is no less plausible than his claim of being an Israeli spy . . . . Now why would a spy claim to a cop that he was actually at the scene of the crime? Wouldn't a perp want to construct an alibi that puts him somewhere else? Wouldn't they teach that kind of thing in Israeli spy school?



                                Excessive caffeine consumption can cause a polygraph to blip . . . . Can someone explain to this dingdong exactly how a poly works -- and why they're not admissible in court.
                                Here's a good article from VOX.
                                https://www.vox.com/2014/8/14/599911...s-do-they-work

                                there was also a good , hilarious, episode of Barney Millar from the 1980's worth looking up> \Your local police force,Slick...
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