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  • If you don't like the Supreme Court's decisions, pack the court..

    A perennial favorite of the Left and Democrats...

    Once again, because the Supreme Court isn't making decisions Progressives like they are calling for court packing. FDR did that when the Supreme Court overturned 90% of the New Deal as unconstitutional.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judici...m_Bill_of_1937


    Democratic candidates including former Rep. Beto O’Rourke of Texas, and Sens. Cory Booker of New Jersey, Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, Kamala Harris of California, and Gillibrand, all have signaled an openness to expanding the number of judges on the court should they reach the White House.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

    One more excellent reason to NOT vote Democrat in 2020.

    This is typical of the Left however. When you can't legally get your way simply change the rules, ignore the rules, or declare a dictatorship since, after all, any Leftist knows exactly what is necessary to reach a social utopia no matter how many lives are destroyed or people have to be killed to achieve it.


  • #2
    Won;t matter. If you study the Court' record, they almost always vote 5-4 along the same lines no matter how they are selected.

    What bothers me the most, and should bother all Americans, is that the ultimate laws are decided by one single person, the Chief Justice who casts the tie vote. That was never the intent when the Curt was created.
    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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    • #3
      I would think that the Founders believed that cases would be decided by one vote. And it isn't always the Chief Justice who casts the deciding vote.
      We are not now that strength which in old days
      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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      • #4
        Isn't that part of the reason Trump won? To get the decisions they wanted out of the court... Now you're holier than thou.
        "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
        - Benjamin Franklin

        The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
          Isn't that part of the reason Trump won? To get the decisions they wanted out of the court... Now you're holier than thou.
          No. Trump was elected by the people, and he has nothing to do at all with the way in which the current court is operating. In fact, until he was elected he could not appoint a SC judge, and then only if a vacancy turns up.

          Ans since I'm agnostic, your last sentence means nothing to me.
          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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          • #6
            Trump was elected by the Electoral College-that is how the system works. However, he is a minority president as he lost the popular vote by between two and three million votes..
            We are not now that strength which in old days
            Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
            Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
            To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

              No. Trump was elected by the people
              TDS, This has nothing to do with anything said.

              , and he has nothing to do at all with the way in which the current court is operating.
              His appointments have nothing to do with how the court is run?

              In fact, until he was elected he could not appoint a SC judge, and then only if a vacancy turns up.
              More TDS. Didn't say anything about him appointing anyone as a nominee, lol. Thank you for pointing out the obvious though.
              "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
              - Benjamin Franklin

              The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                Isn't that part of the reason Trump won? To get the decisions they wanted out of the court... Now you're holier than thou.
                Could be. But, that isn't the point. Court packing only works in the short-term. That is, you can initially pack it to get decisions to go a certain way but in the long run it ends up back at a split, just like it is now. The only way to ensure it doesn't is to install a dictatorship.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                  Could be. But, that isn't the point. Court packing only works in the short-term. That is, you can initially pack it to get decisions to go a certain way but in the long run it ends up back at a split, just like it is now. The only way to ensure it doesn't is to install a dictatorship.
                  Or change the rules so that a 6-3 majority is required for all decisions.
                  Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Massena View Post
                    Trump was elected by the Electoral College-that is how the system works. However, he is a minority president as he lost the popular vote by between two and three million votes..
                    Let'’s see when was the Electoral College put in place…...1790 something? No wonder no one can figure out how it works and how to work the system to get elected. If Hellary was too lazy to work the ground game then it says a lot about the Heir apparent. It shouldn’'t have been a surprise that she lost the Electoral College since she felt that the election was hers as a given. Whether you like it or not (and we all know the answer to that one) Trump put in the work to get elected Hellary didn’'t.
                    Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedy. -- Ernest Benn

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                    • #11
                      The Electoral College is established by Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution, and is not an amendment, so it was established when the Constitution was ratified, not '1790 something.' The ratification occurred on 21 June 1788. That being said, the duties of the electoral college are stated in the 12th Amendment which was ratified on 15 June 1804.

                      See: https://www.archives.gov/federal-reg...ege/about.html

                      'The Electoral College is a process, not a place. The founding fathers established it in the Constitution as a compromise between election of the President by a vote in Congress and election of the President by a popular vote of qualified citizens.'

                      'The Electoral College process consists of the selection of the electors, the meeting of the electors where they vote for President and Vice President, and the counting of the electoral votes by Congress.'

                      'The Electoral College consists of 538 electors. A majority of 270 electoral votes is required to elect the President. Your state’s entitled allotment of electors equals the number of members in its Congressional delegation: one for each member in the House of Representatives plus two for your Senators. Read more about the allocation of electoral votes.'

                      'Under the 23rd Amendment of the Constitution, the District of Columbia is allocated 3 electors and treated like a state for purposes of the Electoral College. For this reason, in the following discussion, the word “state” also refers to the District of Columbia.'

                      'Each candidate running for President in your state has his or her own group of electors. The electors are generally chosen by the candidate’s political party, but state laws vary on how the electors are selected and what their responsibilities are. Read more about the qualifications of the Electors and restrictions on who the Electors may vote for.'

                      'The presidential election is held every four years on the Tuesday after the first Monday in November. You help choose your state’s electors when you vote for President because when you vote for your candidate you are actually voting for your candidate’s electors.'

                      'Most states have a “winner-take-all” system that awards all electors to the winning presidential candidate. However, Maine and Nebraska each have a variation of “proportional representation.” Read more about the allocation of Electors among the states and try to predict the outcome of the Electoral College vote.'
                      We are not now that strength which in old days
                      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                        Or change the rules so that a 6-3 majority is required for all decisions.
                        Why?

                        This might be helpful:

                        https://www.britannica.com/topic/Sup...-United-States

                        'Supreme Court of the United States
                        , final court of appeal and final expositor of the
                        Constitution of the United States
                        . Within the framework of litigation, the Supreme Court marks the boundaries of authority between state and nation, state and state, and government and citizen.'

                        'The Supreme Court was created by the
                        Constitutional Convention
                        of 1787 as the head of a federal court system, though it was not formally established until Congress passed the Judiciary Act in 1789. Although the
                        Constitution
                        outlined the powers, structure, and functions of the legislative and executive branches of government in some detail, it did not do the same for the judicial branch, leaving much of that responsibility to Congress and stipulating only that judicial power be “vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish.” As the country’s court of last resort, the Supreme Court is an appellate body, vested with the authority to act in cases arising under the Constitution,
                        laws
                        , or treaties of the United States; in controversies to which the United States is a party; in disputes between states or between citizens of different states; and in cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction. In suits affecting ambassadors, other public ministers, and consuls and in cases in which states are a party, the Supreme Court has original jurisdiction—i.e., it serves as a trial court. Relatively few cases reach the court through its original jurisdiction, however instead, the vast majority of the court’s business and nearly all of its most influential decisions derive from its appellate jurisdiction.'
                        We are not now that strength which in old days
                        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                          No. Trump was elected by the people, and he has nothing to do at all with the way in which the current court is operating. In fact, until he was elected he could not appoint a SC judge, and then only if a vacancy turns up.

                          Ans since I'm agnostic, your last sentence means nothing to me.
                          It means that you have- too many holes....Image result for Rolling On Floor LaughingImage result for Rolling On Floor Laughing
                          The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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                          • #14
                            Every nominee has to be approved by both houses, changing the constitution to place more judges is ridicules.
                            The ultra liberals onlly bring this up because they want, they DEMAND total and unconditional submission to the extreme policies, their hell bent on destroying our 2nd amendment and they know the Supreme Court has already ruled against that notion.
                            Liberals want a judge who are activists not constitutional scholars.
                            GOD HELP US IF THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL.
                            Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                            Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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                            • #15
                              And you don't think that the ultra conservatives don't want conservative judges who are activists? You've got to be kidding.

                              And every nominee has to be confirmed by the Senate. The House does not have that duty, nor should it, unless you want the Constitution changed.
                              We are not now that strength which in old days
                              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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