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  • #16
    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Okay one more ultra- screw up in foreign policy by Obama. What's new about that?
    The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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    • #17
      Originally posted by marktwain View Post

      Captain A-hole! At least they got the full of hot air part right, unless they filled him with horse manure...

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      • #18
        Originally posted by ljadw View Post

        That is no prove that Israel supports AQ .Unless you can prove that Israel knows that the persons whom they are treating are members of AQ .
        Besides, a claim from an anti Israel journal is not a prove ,and how would the WSJ knew it ? If it was true,Israel would not tell it to the WSJ .
        They don't just treat them, they arm them, share intelligence and provide combat support.

        The former head of Israel's intelligence agency Mossad defends the country's treatment of al-Nusra Front fighters on the Syrian border.
        https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-C...f-Druse-467518

        https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes...081744269.html
        "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
        - Benjamin Franklin

        The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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        • #19
          Akram Hasson is a Druze and former member of the Knesseth . He has no authority and knowledge about what he is talking .
          And Aljazeera is not very reliable .

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          • #20
            Originally posted by ljadw View Post
            Akram Hasson is a Druze and former member of the Knesseth . He has no authority and knowledge about what he is talking .
            And Aljazeera is not very reliable .
            Is a former Mossad leader reliable?
            "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
            - Benjamin Franklin

            The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Nichols View Post
              Obama should have never gotten us involved in that. Shipping weapons to ISIS......the JV team was not a good idea.

              No wonder the Israelis weren't happy with Obama.

              The article is from March 2015, what a different e a new administration makes.
              Obama was a fellow Muslim, remember? The guy who ruled that the words "terrorist" or "terrorism" were not be used? Kind of odd how the intensive security screening of him as a candidate missed that fact.
              Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                Captain A-hole! At least they got the full of hot air part right, unless they filled him with horse manure...
                Cow farts - keep him inflated and floating around, like the lightweight that he was.
                Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

                  Is a former Mossad leader reliable?

                  His story is corroborated by Israeli sources

                  https://www.timesofisrael.com/yaalon...r-israeli-aid/

                  and western sources...

                  https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8046356.html


                  This is the Israeli version of the enemy (Al-Nusra) of my enemy (Iranian backed up rebels) is my friend.

                  My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by pamak View Post


                    His story is corroborated by Israeli sources

                    https://www.timesofisrael.com/yaalon...r-israeli-aid/

                    and western sources...

                    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8046356.html


                    This is the Israeli version of the enemy (Al-Nusra) of my enemy (Iranian backed up rebels) is my friend.
                    The Independent is not a western source: the Independent is the mouthpiece of ISIS.

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                    • #25
                      Obama also was supporting those who fought against Assad, including ISIS . And the Democrats and the Media remained silent or praised Obama .Thus the leftists should remain silent and not attack Israel because it did not attack Al Nusra .

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                      • #26
                        Post deleted. Personal comments directed at other members are not tolerated.

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                        Last edited by Achtung Baby; 13 Dec 19, 02:30.
                        "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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                        The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                        • #27
                          Post deleted and warning given. You're on thin ice if the staff have to deal with more if that.
                          "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason."
                          Ernest Hemingway.

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                          • #28
                            Post replying to Moderator post deleted. Any public response is considered Challenge of Staff Authority.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                              1) The WSJ article linked requires a subscription(pay wall?) to read in full. Have anything to offer that is more accessible?
                              2) The article you link to is 4 1/2 years old:
                              By Yaroslav Trofimov

                              Updated March 12, 2015 12:47 pm ET

                              Have anything more current to support your OP?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by pamak View Post


                                His story is corroborated by Israeli sources

                                https://www.timesofisrael.com/yaalon...r-israeli-aid/
                                1) From over four years ago;
                                29 June 2015,

                                2) Headlines give a better clue;

                                Israel acknowledges it is helping Syrian rebel fighters

                                Defense minister says Jerusalem assists insurgents in exchange for promise Druze will be kept out of harm’s way
                                ...
                                (Some excerpts);
                                Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon said Monday that Israel has been providing aid to Syrian rebels, thus keeping the Druze in Syria out of immediate danger. Israeli officials have previously balked at confirming on the record that the country has been helping forces that are fighting to overthrow Syrian President Bashar Assad.

                                During a briefing with Israel’s diplomatic correspondents at the IDF’s headquarters in Tel Aviv, Ya’alon said that Israel’s ongoing humanitarian assistance to Syrian rebel fighters, a source of growing conflict between Israel and its own Druze population, safeguards the minority population in Syria.

                                Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon attends an IDF exercise on May 7, 2015 (Diana Hananshvili/Defense Ministry)

                                Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon said Monday that Israel has been providing aid to Syrian rebels, thus keeping the Druze in Syria out of immediate danger. Israeli officials have previously balked at confirming on the record that the country has been helping forces that are fighting to overthrow Syrian President Bashar Assad.

                                During a briefing with Israel’s diplomatic correspondents at the IDF’s headquarters in Tel Aviv, Ya’alon said that Israel’s ongoing humanitarian assistance to Syrian rebel fighters, a source of growing conflict between Israel and its own Druze population, safeguards the minority population in Syria.

                                “We’ve assisted them under two conditions,” Ya’alon said of the Israeli medical aid to the Syrian rebels, some of whom are presumably fighting with al-Qaeda affiliate al-Nusra Front to topple Syrian President Bashar Assad. “That they don’t get too close to the border, and that they don’t touch the Druze.”
                                ...
                                Israel has provided humanitarian assistance to wounded Syrian fighters located near the shared border since the civil war stated, the defense minister said. He said that such aid is extended under two conditions – that the fighters don’t let Islamic extremists to get close to the border, and that they don’t hurt the local Druze population.

                                Jerusalem’s policy vis--vis the Druze in Syria “is very complicated and sensitive,” Ya’alon said, adding that it is not in the rebels’ interest to publicize the fact that Israel assists them.

                                “Our general policy is that we’re not getting involved in the Syrian war,” he stressed, although there were certain red lines Israel would act to maintain, such as the smuggling of so-called game-changing weapons to Israel’s enemies.

                                ”We will not tolerate any violation of our sovereignty or even accidental fire from Syria into our territory. We will act immediately to strike at those who plant explosives near the border or fire at us,” he declared.
                                ...
                                https://www.timesofisrael.com/yaalon...r-israeli-aid/
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                                Originally posted by pamak View Post
                                and western sources...

                                https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8046356.html


                                This is the Israeli version of the enemy (Al-Nusra) of my enemy (Iranian backed up rebels) is my friend.
                                This article link is two years old and some content;
                                " The former Israeli defence minister Moshe Ya’alon has publicly confirmed that Israel was treating fighters under a deal to help protect the border "
                                ...
                                The UK does not recognise Israel’s annexation of the Golan Heights from Syria. Patel had broken the protocol that British ministers and officials do not go to the Golan, and certainly not Israeli military facilities there, with Israeli officials. Furthermore, she did not tell the Foreign Office or Downing Street about the visit. The news that it took place was broken by the Haaretz newspaper.

                                No 10 said in a statement: “The Secretary of State did discuss potential ways to provide medical support for Syrian refugees who are wounded and who cross into the Golan for aid. The Israeli army runs field hospitals there for Syrians wounded in the civil war. But there is no change in policy in the area. The UK does not provide any financial support for the Israeli army.”
                                ...
                                But, crucially for the Israelis, the jihadi groups are fighting the Lebanese Hezbollah, Israel’s mortal enemies, whose militia is in Syria alongside the Iranians and Russians, propping up the Assad regime. During a visit earlier this year to the Golan I was told by a 19-year-old Israeli soldier from the field hospital that he makes no distinction between those who come seeking help. “I don’t know and I don’t care, my job is to do the best I can to help anyone who arrives here injured.” But, he acknowledged later, that it was Hezbollah who are the obvious enemy.

                                A major in the intelligence corps pointed out that missiles coming across the border “have been from the regime side, with their Iranian and Hezbollah contingents, not from the rebels”. In Syria, she added “the West thinks Sunni terrorists are worse than Shia terrorists. We don’t make that distinction.”
                                ...
                                https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8046356.html
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                                There are complexities and nuances involved here that appear to be beyond grasp of some members posting. Not to mention use of dated reference materials.

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