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  • Mining Concerns Take Precedence Over a Valuable Natural Resource

    This is not only stupid, it is counter-productive.

    And it is wrong.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/09/us/ep...nvs/index.html

    'The Environmental Protection Agency told staff scientists that it was no longer opposing a controversial Alaska mining project that could devastate one of the world's most valuable wild salmon fisheries just one day after President Trump met with Alaska's governor, CNN has learned.'

    'The EPA publicly announced the reversal July 30, but EPA staff sources tell CNN that they were informed of the decision a month earlier, during a hastily arranged video conference after Trump's meeting with Gov. Mike Dunleavy. The governor, a supporter of the project, emerged from that meeting saying the president assured him that he's "doing everything he can to work with us on our mining concerns."'

    'The news came as a "total shock" to some top EPA scientists who were planning to oppose the project on environmental grounds, according to sources. Those sources asked to remain anonymous for fear of retribution.'

    'The copper-and-gold mine planned near Bristol Bay, Alaska, known as Pebble Mine, was blocked by the Obama administration's EPA after scientists found that the mine would cause "complete loss of" the bay's fish habitat.''EPA insiders tell CNN that the timing of the agency's internal announcement suggests Trump was personally involved in the decision.'

    The EPA is not protecting the US environment as it is supposed to do.

    The rife corruption of Trump and his administration is an open scandal. Maybe he's pushing for impeachment?
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    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
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    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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    Gold, and other minerals are valuable natural resources...

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    • #3
      So are the salmon. And once they are destroyed, you can't get them back.

      This is being done for nothing but greed. I wonder how much of a cut Trump has 'negotiated' for?
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      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Massena View Post
        So are the salmon. And once they are destroyed, you can't get them back.

        This is being done for nothing but greed. I wonder how much of a cut Trump has 'negotiated' for?
        And, how do you know they'll be "destroyed?"

        You do realize the EPA is responsible for the largest environmental disaster in the US in the last 20+ years don't you? The EPA has no corner on competence and I for one don't buy what they say when it is unilaterally issued by them. Anything the EPA did during the Obama years is suspect in my view.

        And, with a look at a map, I'd say the mine is probably not going to do anything to the salmon population...

        Last edited by T. A. Gardner; 10 Aug 19, 09:08.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Massena View Post
          This is not only stupid, it is counter-productive.

          And it is wrong.
          Has due diligence been done by the local government showing the impact of this or are we to go by a bunch of unnamed sources from CNN?


          "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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          • #6
            I figured that you would support the destruction of the salmon. Why am I not surprised. Somebody's going to get rich over this and the whole deal is suspect.
            We are not now that strength which in old days
            Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
            Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
            To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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            • #7
              Agriculture is the cause of the greatest loss of biodiversity, people are greedy they want to eat

              April 29, 2014
              State of Alaska Attorney Generalís Office response to EPA on CWA 404(c) reviewThe real issue here is the immorality of of "not in my back yard" . The U.S. and Europe have been gleefully exporting pollution to China and the third world for 50 years while bragging about how environmentally friendly they are. It has all been done under the evil triad of corporatism, globalism and socialism. The idiots who read Marx at universities are now in control and whether consciously or unconsciously elements of that dystopian ideology have crept into all are institutions. They have simply eliminate "workers" from the dictatorship in favor of bureaucratic "experts". The experts that are not on board are unsurprisingly those most closely associated with physical reality not abstract ideology. The reality is that by extracting our own natural resources we can be sure that it will be less damaging to the world's ecology than if left to socialist nations in Asia, Africa and Central and South America. In the end the fight has moved on from blatantly irresponsible extractors to how much power the bureaucratic state can accumulate in league with the financial sector, global traders, and their partners in quasi socialist political entities such as the Democratic Party.

              Poverty is the greatest threat to the environment. At the beginning of the twentieth century damage to the environment accelerated as the industrial revolution accelerated. Natural resources had to be extracted in the cheapest way possible because the average person was living on two dollars a day. that process devastated the environment. Today we extract many times more resources with a fraction of the negative impact on the environment because the average person is rich enough to afford the cost of environmentally friendly extraction. If you want to destroy the environment make everyone as poor as the people in Venezuela by doing away with capitalism and opting for the bureaucratic dictatorship.





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              • #8
                Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                And, how do you know they'll be "destroyed?"

                You do realize the EPA is responsible for the largest environmental disaster in the US in the last 20+ years don't you? The EPA has no corner on competence and I for one don't buy what they say when it is unilaterally issued by them. Anything the EPA did during the Obama years is suspect in my view.

                And, with a look at a map, I'd say the mine is probably not going to do anything to the salmon population...

                Then you'd be wrong.
                When I was a reporter in Kodiak Alaska I did an article of the Pebble mine. I'll try to find it shortly and link it. However, there are dozens of rivers, and streams that will be affected by the mine. Salmon find there way back to their spawning mostly by smell. the mineral release by the mine will alter the chemical makeup of the waters, thus keeping salmon from spawning.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Massena View Post
                  I figured that you would support the destruction of the salmon. Why am I not surprised. Somebody's going to get rich over this and the whole deal is suspect.
                  You figured wrong again. I asked a simple question regarding due diligence. Whenever the MSM only gives unnamed sources as sources....the validity of the story needs to be called into question.

                  If someone is offended because I question CNN's unnamed 'facts'.....there is nothing that I can do about it.
                  "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Massena View Post
                    I figured that you would support the destruction of the salmon. Why am I not surprised. Somebody's going to get rich over this and the whole deal is suspect.
                    Strawman argument and hyperbole. Ten yard penalty.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Anthrax View Post

                      Then you'd be wrong.
                      When I was a reporter in Kodiak Alaska I did an article of the Pebble mine. I'll try to find it shortly and link it. However, there are dozens of rivers, and streams that will be affected by the mine. Salmon find there way back to their spawning mostly by smell. the mineral release by the mine will alter the chemical makeup of the waters, thus keeping salmon from spawning.
                      And the existing mines and claims as shown on that map don't?

                      Just remember, mining companies are libel to being inspected and fined for violations. As the EPA has shown with the Gold King mine incident the people you can't trust are the EPA policing themselves. This is a variant of that. The EPA is claiming something. I wonder just how transparent their research on it is. We know with Gorebal Warming that the EPA has been very reluctant, and secretive, about their research on the subject.

                      I don't trust private mining corporations, but I don't trust the EPA far more. When the EPA says "No" to some project, my first inclination is they are lying through their teeth because of an internal Progressive favoring agenda.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                        And the existing mines and claims as shown on that map don't?
                        Those are existing mine claims, not actual mines. Most if not all, have no permits to actually mine.
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                        • #13
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Anthrax View Post

                            Then you'd be wrong.
                            When I was a reporter in Kodiak Alaska I did an article of the Pebble mine. I'll try to find it shortly and link it. However, there are dozens of rivers, and streams that will be affected by the mine. Salmon find there way back to their spawning mostly by smell. the mineral release by the mine will alter the chemical makeup of the waters, thus keeping salmon from spawning.
                            Good point. given that copper prices are in a slow decline
                            https://www.metalradar.com/lme-prices/copper/
                            there is no hurry.
                            wild caught salmon is increasing in value, and Alaska has over 80% of the world's supply...
                            The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Anthrax View Post

                              Those are existing mine claims, not actual mines. Most if not all, have no permits to actually mine.
                              Haha well slapped!!!

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