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  • Nichols
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    Not a very good use of "terror as a deterrent" when they are released for humanitarian reasons after they have been processed......

    A total of 680 people were arrested in Wednesday’s raids, but more than 300 had been released by Thursday morning with notices to appear before immigration judges, said U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokesman Bryan Cox.

    About 270 were released after being taken to a military hangar where they had been brought, and 30 were released at the plants, Cox said. He did not give a reason except to say that those released at the plants were let go due to “humanitarian factors.”


    https://time.com/5648346/immigrants-...d-mississippi/

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  • marktwain
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    Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post


    Children have rights under US law too.
    UN “law” does not supersede US law so it isn’t relevant. If there is a problem with US law, then I wonder why all those politicians screeching about the holding facilities never bothered to change it when they could have. The issue was known and discussed back then too. (Obama openly declined to address immigration)
    Despite this, they left things as they were. So, either they didn’t care, or the problem isn’t quite as awful as they presently claim. (Imagine that, politicians lying to us)

    The fact that kids are placed in a holding facility is not proof of a violation of any duty.
    The kids are being cared for and housed. It may not look good, but what other options are there once the parents are arrested?
    Canada may be more sensitive, but it doesn’t have numerous failed states on its southern border.
    I also doubt that canada has to deal with the same volume of people trying to enter the country illegally.


    we use the Wendigo system.

    We tell them "fear the wendigo
    Eats you body takes Your soul..
    Canada real dangerous, eh?
    better you go to - USA.."

    Bad poetry deters 80% of Illegals

    another 15 % are death or glory thrill seekers,
    after six months they say:
    "where this Wendigo- this sucks?
    all I see is boring Canucks

    I leaving for Somalia
    Going where the action are"

    five percent we keep



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  • Nichols
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post

    Enforcing the law is not the issue. It's how it is done and how many innocents are hurt that is the problem.
    Children of law breakers are separated. It makes no sense that the MSM wants to cry about illegals but not say anything about citizens.

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  • Gixxer86g
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post

    When it is being used as a deterrent, as Trump said it was, then it most certainly is the direct application of terror.
    Ridiculous.

    The penalties incurred for breaking the law are deterrents. If I get pulled over for speeding, I will bear full responsibility for my actions. I'm not being terrorized. I know the penalties, and I will be consciously breaking the law.

    We can't cherry pick which laws are enforced and which laws aren't.

    These parents are solely responsible for their actions, and the welfare of their children. Very simple.

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  • Pirateship1982
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    See Post 41. There will be no further discussion until there is a counterplan to discuss.

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  • marktwain
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    Originally posted by Pirateship1982 View Post

    Please submit a proposed counterplan for further discussion.
    ALREADY D0NE. read MY POSTS...….

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  • Pirateship1982
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    Originally posted by marktwain View Post

    with all due respect, I find our various exchanges are involving a degree of sophistry…..
    Please submit a proposed counterplan for further discussion.

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  • Snowshoveler
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    Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post


    Children have rights under US law too.
    UN “law” does not supersede US law so it isn’t relevant. If there is a problem with US law, then I wonder why all those politicians screeching about the holding facilities never bothered to change it when they could have. The issue was known and discussed back then too. (Obama openly declined to address immigration)
    Despite this, they left things as they were. So, either they didn’t care, or the problem isn’t quite as awful as they presently claim. (Imagine that, politicians lying to us)

    The fact that kids are placed in a holding facility is not proof of a violation of any duty.
    The kids are being cared for and housed. It may not look good, but what other options are there once the parents are arrested?
    Canada may be more sensitive, but it doesn’t have numerous failed states on its southern border.
    I also doubt that canada has to deal with the same volume of people trying to enter the country illegally.
    Canada also has a big problem with illegal immigration now that our imbecile Prime Minister encouraged them to break the law they come through the US mostly.

    https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...der-crossings-in-canada-yes-its-still-happening
    Last edited by Snowshoveler; 11 Aug 19, 08:29.

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  • marktwain
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    Originally posted by Pirateship1982 View Post

    "Suspending raids until there are adequate facilities" means not enforcing the law. So no it is not a point of discussion yet. Can you provide a proposal for enforcing the law which will outperform the current system? I'll hear you out but it must include enforcing the law or it's not an argument that "enforcing the law isn't an issue".
    with all due respect, I find our various exchanges are involving a degree of sophistry…..

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  • Pirateship1982
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    Originally posted by marktwain View Post

    IF YOU READ THE POSTS, you'll find that is a point of discussion......
    "Suspending raids until there are adequate facilities" means not enforcing the law. So no it is not a point of discussion yet. Can you provide a proposal for enforcing the law which will outperform the current system? I'll hear you out but it must include enforcing the law or it's not an argument that "enforcing the law isn't an issue".

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  • marktwain
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    Originally posted by Pirateship1982 View Post

    And how would you propose enforcing it?
    IF YOU READ THE POSTS, you'll find that is a point of discussion......

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  • Cambronnne
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    Originally posted by marktwain View Post

    Hi Cambronne

    Children have rights under the United Nations charter, and as minors, having limited capacity to contract, a duty of care from all western countries.

    Until adequate child care facilities can be provided, the raids should be suspended.
    We may be more sensitive to this in Canada, as between the residential schools and the Barnardo's programs, we have a sorry history of neglecting children in care.

    Children have rights under US law too.
    UN “law” does not supersede US law so it isn’t relevant. If there is a problem with US law, then I wonder why all those politicians screeching about the holding facilities never bothered to change it when they could have. The issue was known and discussed back then too. (Obama openly declined to address immigration)
    Despite this, they left things as they were. So, either they didn’t care, or the problem isn’t quite as awful as they presently claim. (Imagine that, politicians lying to us)

    The fact that kids are placed in a holding facility is not proof of a violation of any duty.
    The kids are being cared for and housed. It may not look good, but what other options are there once the parents are arrested?
    Canada may be more sensitive, but it doesn’t have numerous failed states on its southern border.
    I also doubt that canada has to deal with the same volume of people trying to enter the country illegally.

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  • Pirateship1982
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post

    Enforcing the law is not the issue. It's how it is done and how many innocents are hurt that is the problem.
    And how would you propose enforcing it?

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  • Massena
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    Originally posted by Nichols View Post

    These laws were on the books before Trump became president. There were written by Congress, Obama also enforced them. Why is it morally wrong only when Trump enforces them and not Obama?

    It still falls under the Congress to change the law.
    Enforcing the law is not the issue. It's how it is done and how many innocents are hurt that is the problem.

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