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  • marktwain
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    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

    If it's anything like Spotted D*ck, then you can keep it to yourself.
    I believe that



    YOU WILL BE PLEASED TO KNOW THAT I had that cured, and won't post before or after pictures.

    Here's the civilized recipie:https://hubpages.com/food/Humble-Pie-umble-pye
    recipes for badger ,frogs ,viper ,roasred song birds ,mock turtle,calves head ,calves heel and neat's feet on request, Slick...


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  • slick_miester
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    Originally posted by marktwain View Post

    Ok- can concede the point. apparently, ICE is now releasing children and parents rapidly.
    wil post recipe for ''umble pie...'
    If it's anything like Spotted D*ck, then you can keep it to yourself.

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  • marktwain
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    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

    Great story, and not a bad analogy -- 'cept that it overlooks one very relevant point: the children being detained by ICE were not born in the United States. They were brought into the US -- volitionally -- by adults, likely their parents, who knew full-well that entering the US illegally would incur some form of legal repercussion. Not that I'm defending ICE's practices, but if there has to be one culpable party, it's the adults who knowingly violated US law with children in tow. Logic clearly dictates that that's an unconscionable act, for which the US Gov't cannot be held responsible.
    Ok- can concede the point. apparently, ICE is now releasing children and parents rapidly.
    wil post recipe for ''umble pie...'

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  • slick_miester
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    Originally posted by marktwain View Post

    PERHAPS AN ANALOGY WILL AID US AT THIS POINT.

    In early fifteenth century London, the December 28th flight of the Holy Family to Egypt was celebrated in London by chasing children through the streets of London and beating them with - sticks.

    This commemorated the massacre of the Innocents by king Herod.

    According to medieval lore, the lil baby Jesus let all his closest buddies know that Herod was coming , so they hid themselves away. So any children not hidden away were symbols of the bad kids.

    Queen Catherine of Valois was appalled by the practice:

    And instituted the French custom of baking the large 'humble pies' at the Windsor castle, then distributing them to the mobs, so they in return were not to beat up any stray urchins.

    she also had the royal men at arms patrol with the city watch, in order to crugle anyone trying to" 'ave 'is pie and beat it, too."

    If England can survive for over six hundred years, surely on this side of the pond, its not unpatriotic to not cage children ,,,,
    Great story, and not a bad analogy -- 'cept that it overlooks one very relevant point: the children being detained by ICE were not born in the United States. They were brought into the US -- volitionally -- by adults, likely their parents, who knew full-well that entering the US illegally would incur some form of legal repercussion. Not that I'm defending ICE's practices, but if there has to be one culpable party, it's the adults who knowingly violated US law with children in tow. Logic clearly dictates that that's an unconscionable act, for which the US Gov't cannot be held responsible.

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  • marktwain
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    Originally posted by Tsar View Post

    Those who hate the U.S. will always believe the worst about it.
    PERHAPS AN ANALOGY WILL AID US AT THIS POINT.

    In early fifteenth century London, the December 28th flight of the Holy Family to Egypt was celebrated in London by chasing children through the streets of London and beating them with - sticks.

    This commemorated the massacre of the Innocents by king Herod.

    According to medieval lore, the lil baby Jesus let all his closest buddies know that Herod was coming , so they hid themselves away. So any children not hidden away were symbols of the bad kids.

    Queen Catherine of Valois was appalled by the practice:

    And instituted the French custom of baking the large 'humble pies' at the Windsor castle, then distributing them to the mobs, so they in return were not to beat up any stray urchins.

    she also had the royal men at arms patrol with the city watch, in order to crugle anyone trying to" 'ave 'is pie and beat it, too."

    If England can survive for over six hundred years, surely on this side of the pond, its not unpatriotic to not cage children ,,,,

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  • Nichols
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post

    Trump swore to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. And he is already foresworn-he has not been true to his oath.
    Originally posted by Massena View Post
    Good grief, give it a rest.

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  • Massena
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    Originally posted by Nichols View Post

    Not really, a white supremacist in congress made it a federal offense back in the early 20th century. He didn't like Mexicans.

    Now if we could just get Congress to fix the immigration laws that Trump swore to protect and defend....

    The good news is that Trump has gotten rid of Clinton's prison rules from the 90's. Maybe they will be reunited with their children earlier because of Trump.
    Trump swore to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. And he is already foresworn-he has not been true to his oath.

    Trump also promised that the Mexicans would pay for the wall. How's that working out?

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  • Nichols
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    Originally posted by marktwain View Post
    Great point.
    Not really, a white supremacist in congress made it a federal offense back in the early 20th century. He didn't like Mexicans.

    Now if we could just get Congress to fix the immigration laws that Trump swore to protect and defend....

    The good news is that Trump has gotten rid of Clinton's prison rules from the 90's. Maybe they will be reunited with their children earlier because of Trump.

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  • marktwain
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post

    Absolute garbage. They are being put in jail and their families broken up over a misdemeanor, unless you have evidence, and not flawed opinions, on the subject.

    What you are advocating is in line with Trump because you are a Trump supporter. I would venture that if Obama was doing this you would be enraged because Obama is a Democrat.

    The evil of partisan politics over everything else.
    Great point.
    Incarceration is a very expensive procedure compared to an electronic ankle bracelet, when there is a need to keep track of a Non Violent suspect before a magistrate's appearance.

    Where is a illegal entry resident going to flee to, anyhow?
    Back home?

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  • Massena
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    Originally posted by Tsar View Post

    Those who hate the U.S. will always believe the worst about it.
    BS. Demonizing and making false accusations against those with whom one disagrees is going against the Founders of the United States and the Constitution.

    Perhaps the following two quotations should be taken to heart:

    An appeal to reason:

    'My Fellow Citizens,

    The rise of this blusterous man bewilders the educated among us, conjoins opposing politicians, agonizes our international allies, threatens minorities, spits on the disabled, and touches the hearts of those who just don’t know any better.
    Let us stop propounding how mad this all is, but instead, do something.

    Lisolette Hubner
    Germany, 1929'

    ‘The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or anyone else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else.’
    -Theodore Roosevelt


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  • marktwain
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    Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post

    Any citizen arrested for domestic violence losses their children, at least temporarily, if you are driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol in the presence of minors you will be separated from your children , if both parents are arrested for violations of any law child protective services will take custody of the children,
    it's the common practice for US citizens, have you ever protested these procedures before?
    while I can see your point, electronic arrest leg bracelets are a lot less expensive way to track non violent flight risks.


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  • Tsar
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    Originally posted by Nichols View Post

    That doesn't explain why the snopes link...

    They are receiving a "modicum" of care. Do you really think the US is setting up abuse centers for children?
    Those who hate the U.S. will always believe the worst about it.

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  • Nichols
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    Originally posted by marktwain View Post
    Scooped up children are not crime committers, or escaped convicts. why don't they rate a modicum of care?
    That doesn't explain why the snopes link...

    They are receiving a "modicum" of care. Do you really think the US is setting up abuse centers for children?

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  • marktwain
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    Originally posted by Nichols View Post

    What does this have to do with the thread?
    reporting is slanted in many on line sources against the powerless. for various psychological reasons, children will internalize abuse and not report it.

    If you read left wing Canadian publications from before 1979, the few reports filtering out of The PRof china were disregarded as " you have to break a few eggs to make omelets." So every political faction has produced 'alternative truths" Its who's ox gets gored.."

    Scooped up children are not crime committers, or escaped convicts. why don't they rate a modicum of care?

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  • Nichols
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post
    The reason for existence for Trump supporters is to defend him at all costs no matter what and to defend what he does, whether or not (and it's usually not) what he does or the policies he enacts are both ethical and moral, not to mention legal.
    Questioning bad reporting does not make one a Trump supporter. Using bad reported as 'proof' against Trump serves no point.

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