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  • #31
    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
    The Democratic Party really better watch itself when it talks about white people. All Iím seeing here is the exact type of confusion and wrong approach that we saw a few years back with regards to so-called Muslim supremacist or Muslim jihadist. That type of language is not needed in our society and honestly that type of language is not found any agent or middle ages.

    If all the Democratic candidates keep on using the term white supremacy I wonít vote for any Democrat but Iím also not going to vote for Trump I would write in an American hero of history to make a statement

    So for white men in America and I am one of them... If you are put off by language that includes terms like white supremacy then you absolutely must defend Islam and also not use those fake modern terms like radical jihadist. I am a true liberal so Iím all about equality and honestly thatís how most Americans act. Most Americans donít use these fake modern terms like radical Christian or radical Muslim

    Tucker CarlsonĎs recent approach was 100% right . White supremacy in the United States is a hoax .
    Wrong conclusions. I do not have to stand against a lie by supporting Islamic terrorism. Islamic terrorism is an Islamic problem, and they are not trying to fix it. You need to start asking why not. Meanwhile, you are demanding white activism but not Muslim activism.
    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Massena View Post

      Because they are not facts, they are merely opinions.
      My facts are directly from the national strategy, are you saying those are opinions?
      "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Blackhat View Post

        Really??? Wow! That's your answer to the tough questions our nation faces? Am I to assume by that statement that you believe that so much of the population is racist to the point of being unredeemable and unable to be reasoned with, that bloodshed is the only answer? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I fail to see any other way to interpret that statement.
        I can sit here and give a more eloquent and PC answer that both the left and right would agree with. But, the problem with that is nothing I could say would actually be realistic. So I opted to give a more honest answer instead. This is not a recommendation or desire, it is simply a matter of truth. The reality is, when two sides are so far apart as we are today, there is little else that can be done. We are too different to coexist in peace for any extended period of time going forward. This is not a matter of race or racism, but a matter of ideology. A core ideological difference that will continue to manifest long after Trump is out of office, regardless of when that ends up being. The ideology of the right is a threat to minorities and the existence of minorities is a threat to the right. As the demographics continue to shift and the nation becomes increasingly more diverse, right wing extremism will raise exponentially. To suggest that continued and increased political violence would not unsettle the nation would be extremely naive.

        Civil war in the united states was predicted by numerous experts almost a decade ago. Many common citizens predicted it, myself included, when Trump was elected. This is a matter of examining history, current events and the ease of predicting human behavior and trends.

        FWIW the country came out stronger after the first civil war.
        "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
        - Benjamin Franklin

        The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

          FWIW the country came out stronger after the first civil war.
          The nation had incurred 630,000 dead and had to go through Reconstruction which would lead to segregation, Jim Crow laws, and those wouldn't be at least partially addressed until the Civil Rights legislation of the 1960s.

          You believe that is stronger? That isn't worth much at all.

          We are not now that strength which in old days
          Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
          Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
          To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Nichols View Post

            My facts are directly from the national strategy, are you saying those are opinions?
            Then quote your facts. If you cannot or will not, then it is merely your opinion and the CNN reporting will have to stand despite the prejudices you espouse to the media.
            We are not now that strength which in old days
            Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
            Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
            To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Massena View Post

              The nation had incurred 630,000 dead and had to go through Reconstruction which would lead to segregation, Jim Crow laws, and those wouldn't be at least partially addressed until the Civil Rights legislation of the 1960s.

              You believe that is stronger? That isn't worth much at all.
              Institutional racism exists throughout the history of this nation, so it has to be looked at in a relative manner. In that sense, yes, Jim Crow laws were better than the institution of slavery.

              But you are right, it isn't much at all. Which speaks to the overall wickedness of this country and the principles that has guided it.
              "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
              - Benjamin Franklin

              The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

                Institutional racism exists throughout the history of this nation, so it has to be looked at in a relative manner. In that sense, yes, Jim Crow laws were better than the institution of slavery.
                How?
                We are not now that strength which in old days
                Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Massena View Post

                  How?
                  How is segregation better than slavery? Is this really what you're asking?
                  "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                  - Benjamin Franklin

                  The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                  • #39
                    Former slaves went from bondage to sharecropping. How is that better? And being treated like second-class citizens without being able to vote or have the basic rights that other citizens had is little better than slavery.

                    Perhaps you can explain that to me...?
                    We are not now that strength which in old days
                    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                    • #40
                      Racism, white supremacy, white nationalism has been used as a political cudgel to silence any opposition. That, to me, has become the primary problem. When any argument or counterpoint is dismissed out of hand as racist you force conflict and push back. That is where we have gotten to.

                      We made real sociological headway in the 60-70s when it comes to race relations and the removal of institutional barriers. We did it through talking honestly and openly, with people like MLK forwarding the charge. Now, claiming the appropriate "ism" or "phobia" is enough to disregard any arguments and shut down communication. That tactic seems to be the one the progressive left has chosen. The problem with that tactic is that it's self-defeating. Witness the video of the Democratic Socialist convention that just happened.

                      There will always be racism. It is naivete to think otherwise, but it's general prevalence and acceptance in a society is something that can be changed. We were headed that direction until racism got repurposed as a political weapon and a power and money grab a la Sharpton and the like. If you shut down dialog and demonize any contrary viewpoints, you force conflict as the only recourse, and I don't see that approach being taken from the conservative perspective. If one side considers me no different than a cross burning, lynching kkk member because I question the validity of, say, reparations, then you destroy any hope of civil discourse. The half of the country you appear to assume to be so racist that they can't be redeemed only want to be able to have conversations, not conflict.

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                      • #41
                        So you think they were better off as slaves. That's what you're saying to me. FYI, slaves were even less than second class citizens and weren't allowed to vote either. The notion that slavery is a better option than segregation is too ridiculous to entertain any further.
                        "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                        - Benjamin Franklin

                        The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                        • #42
                          Amazing, Tac. you claim Trump does not want to stop terrorism while YOu Democrats block his every attempt. you won't even let him improve border security.

                          YOU ARE TO BLAME. OWN IT.
                          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                            So you think they were better off as slaves. That's what you're saying to me. FYI, slaves were even less than second class citizens and weren't allowed to vote either. The notion that slavery is a better option than segregation is too ridiculous to entertain any further.
                            Democrats have always liked and supported slavery. Try reading history for a change instead of comic books.

                            Throughout the history of the KKK, Canon City, Colorado was the Klan headquarters for the entire Southwest, and Colorado always has been run by Democrats, just as it is still today.

                            Segregation, racism and slavery is a Democratic thing, and it always has been. Own it.
                            Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                              Democrats have always liked and supported slavery. Try reading history for a change instead of comic books.
                              Where in that post do I say anything to the contrary??? I know their history and do not deny their racism.
                              "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                              - Benjamin Franklin

                              The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                                Amazing, Tac. you claim Trump does not want to stop terrorism while YOu Democrats block his every attempt. you won't even let him improve border security.

                                YOU ARE TO BLAME. OWN IT.
                                I am not a democrat and I support the wall.

                                As the article points out though, Trump is only interested in terrorism committed by certain people, as opposed to terrorism as a whole.
                                "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                                - Benjamin Franklin

                                The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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