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  • slick_miester
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    Originally posted by Snowshoveler View Post

    Give it up.
    Have you considered Viagra?

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post
    More Trump lies and falsehoods:

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/06/polit...ust/index.html

    'President Donald Trump made 56 false claims last week, delivering his usual assortment of dishonesty about immigration, his popularity and his record.'

    'That was down from 78 false claims the week prior and 61 false claims the week before that.'

    'Where he made the biggest numbers: Trump made 26 false claims at his campaign rally in Cincinnati, 13 more in various exchanges with the media, seven on Twitter, five in an interview with C-SPAN.'

    'Top categories: Eighteen false claims were about the economy or trade; 10 were about Trump's popularity, his crowds or others' crowds; 10 were about immigration; eight were about former President Barack Obama's record.''The most egregious false claim: Support from African Americans'
    'Trump's stories are peppered with unnamed validators -- "many people" who say he's right about something, "tough guys" backstage who break down crying in his presence, a "friend" who just called him to say something dramatic.'
    'Last week, as he faced accusations of racism for his attack on Baltimore as "disgusting, rat and rodent infested" and unfit for human habitation, he turned the black community into a validator.'
    '"What I've done for African Americans, no president, I would say, has done," he told reporters, citing his criminal justice legislation, the low black unemployment rate and the criticism of Baltimore itself. "Now, I'll say this: They are so happy, because I get the calls."'
    'Though Trump does have African American supporters, all the available evidence suggests African American voters are overwhelmingly unhappy with him. In one poll the week before last, he had a 6% approval rating with black voters; 80% of them said he is racist.'
    'We can't fact-check the existence of phone calls to him. We can note that he has invented phone calls before.'

    Trump is making gaslighting into a cottage industry:

    From Phychology Today:

    ... gaslighters typically use the following techniques:

    1. They tell blatant lies.

    You know it's an outright lie. Yet they are telling you this lie with a straight face. Why are they so blatant? Because they're setting up a precedent. Once they tell you a huge lie, you're not sure if anything they say is true. Keeping you unsteady and off-kilter is the goal.

    2. They deny they ever said something, even though you have proof.

    You know they said they would do something; you know you heard it. But they out and out deny it. It makes you start questioning your reality—maybe they never said that thing. And the more they do this, the more you question your reality and start accepting theirs.

    3. They use what is near and dear to you as ammunition.

    They know how important your kids are to you, and they know how important your identity is to you. So those may be one of the first things they attack. If you have kids, they tell you that you should not have had those children. They will tell you'd be a worthy person if only you didn't have a long list of negative traits. They attack the foundation of your being.

    4. They wear you down over time.

    This is one of the insidious things about gaslighting—it is done gradually, over time. A lie here, a lie there, a snide comment every so often...and then it starts ramping up. Even the brightest, most self-aware people can be sucked into gaslighting—it is that effective. It's the "frog in the frying pan" analogy: The heat is turned up slowly, so the frog never realizes what's happening to it.

    5. Their actions do not match their words.

    When dealing with a person or entity that gaslights, look at what they are doing rather than what they are saying. What they are saying means nothing; it is just talk. What they are doing is the issue.

    6. They throw in positive reinforcement to confuse you.
    This person or entity that is cutting you down, telling you that you don't have value, is now praising you for something you did. This adds an additional sense of uneasiness. You think, "Well maybe they aren't so bad." Yes, they are. This is a calculated attempt to keep you off-kilter—and again, to question your reality. Also look at what you were praised for; it is probably something that served the gaslighter.

    7. They know confusion weakens people.

    Gaslighters know that people like having a sense of stability and normalcy. Their goal is to uproot this and make you constantly question everything. And humans' natural tendency is to look to the person or entity that will help you feel more stable—and that happens to be the gaslighter.

    8. They project.

    They are a drug user or a cheater, yet they are constantly accusing you of that. This is done so often that you start trying to defend yourself, and are distracted from the gaslighter's own behavior.

    9. They try to align people against you.

    Gaslighters are masters at manipulating and finding the people they know will stand by them no matter what—and they use these people against you. They will make comments such as, "This person knows that you're not right," or "This person knows you're useless too." Keep in mind it does not mean that these people actually said these things. A gaslighter is a constant liar. When the gaslighter uses this tactic it makes you feel like you don't know who to trust or turn to—and that leads you right back to the gaslighter. And that's exactly what they want: Isolation gives them more control.

    10. They tell you or others that you are crazy.

    This is one of the most effective tools of the gaslighter, because it's dismissive. The gaslighter knows if they question your sanity, people will not believe you when you tell them the gaslighter is abusive or out-of-control. It's a master technique.

    11. They tell you everyone else is a liar.

    By telling you that everyone else (your family, the media) is a liar, it again makes you question your reality. You've never known someone with the audacity to do this, so they must be telling the truth, right? No. It's a manipulation technique. It makes people turn to the gaslighter for the "correct" information—which isn't correct information at all.

    The more you are aware of these techniques, the quicker you can identify them and avoid falling into the gaslighter's trap.

    And what's scary is the number of people who fall for this from Trump...
    Sounds a lot like CNN...

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  • Snowshoveler
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    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

    Do you have kids?

    If I'm so anti white, then why did I marry one, and raise two more?

    Take a page from Rand: there are no contradictions -- it's your assumptions that must be wrong.
    Give it up.

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  • slick_miester
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    Originally posted by Snowshoveler View Post

    Now you’re also an expert on all of what I do to share my views? Like I said you don’t care if White people live or die you wouldn’t want to help anyways on purpose so nuts to you.
    Do you have kids?

    If I'm so anti white, then why did I marry one, and raise two more?

    Take a page from Rand: there are no contradictions -- it's your assumptions that must be wrong.

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  • the ace
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/break...cid=spartandhp

    'In El Paso this week and across the globe this year, white supremacists have left manifestos referencing a racist conspiracy theory to justify slaughtering religious and ethnic minorities.'

    'Alleged killers in Christchurch, New Zealand; Poway, California; and El Paso, Texas believed a theory that claims white people are being “replaced” by people of color through mass immigration. Conspiracy theorists often falsely claim this is a deliberate effort by any number of groups demonized on the far right: liberals, Democrats, Jews, Muslims. It’s the theory peddled by white supremacist groups seeking recruits and the torch-bearing marchers in Charlottesville two years ago. It’s also a thinly disguised—and often not disguised—talking point by some conservative politicians and pundits, experts say.'

    'By leaving these conspiratorial manifestos, white supremacists are trying to add to a long and growing library of terror, and get others to follow their examples.'

    '“They’re also trying to inspire others about the urgency of the moment. In particular with the New Zealand shooter, the Poway shooter, and this guy in El Paso, you see these ideas building on each other," Heidi Beirich, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Intelligence Project told The Daily Beast.'

    '“There’s no question these people are feeding off each other because they’re referencing prior manifestos. In the Poway case and the El Paso case, they both referenced Christchurch.”'

    'In name alone, the conspiracy theory began in 2011, with the book The Great Replacement, by French author Renaud Camus. The anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant text likened the growth of non-white populations to the genocide of white people in European countries. This supposed genocide is non-existent. White supremacists use it as an excuse for violence anyway.'

    (My Bold)

    Given their locations, are they completely blind to the irony ?

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  • Snowshoveler
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    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

    How is telling me what to do while all you do is "run in circles scream and shout" being part of any solution?
    Now you’re also an expert on all of what I do to share my views? Like I said you don’t care if White people live or die you wouldn’t want to help anyways on purpose so nuts to you.

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  • Massena
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    More Trump lies and falsehoods:

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/06/polit...ust/index.html

    'President Donald Trump made 56 false claims last week, delivering his usual assortment of dishonesty about immigration, his popularity and his record.'

    'That was down from 78 false claims the week prior and 61 false claims the week before that.'

    'Where he made the biggest numbers: Trump made 26 false claims at his campaign rally in Cincinnati, 13 more in various exchanges with the media, seven on Twitter, five in an interview with C-SPAN.'

    'Top categories: Eighteen false claims were about the economy or trade; 10 were about Trump's popularity, his crowds or others' crowds; 10 were about immigration; eight were about former President Barack Obama's record.''The most egregious false claim: Support from African Americans'
    'Trump's stories are peppered with unnamed validators -- "many people" who say he's right about something, "tough guys" backstage who break down crying in his presence, a "friend" who just called him to say something dramatic.'
    'Last week, as he faced accusations of racism for his attack on Baltimore as "disgusting, rat and rodent infested" and unfit for human habitation, he turned the black community into a validator.'
    '"What I've done for African Americans, no president, I would say, has done," he told reporters, citing his criminal justice legislation, the low black unemployment rate and the criticism of Baltimore itself. "Now, I'll say this: They are so happy, because I get the calls."'
    'Though Trump does have African American supporters, all the available evidence suggests African American voters are overwhelmingly unhappy with him. In one poll the week before last, he had a 6% approval rating with black voters; 80% of them said he is racist.'
    'We can't fact-check the existence of phone calls to him. We can note that he has invented phone calls before.'

    Trump is making gaslighting into a cottage industry:

    From Phychology Today:

    ... gaslighters typically use the following techniques:

    1. They tell blatant lies.

    You know it's an outright lie. Yet they are telling you this lie with a straight face. Why are they so blatant? Because they're setting up a precedent. Once they tell you a huge lie, you're not sure if anything they say is true. Keeping you unsteady and off-kilter is the goal.

    2. They deny they ever said something, even though you have proof.

    You know they said they would do something; you know you heard it. But they out and out deny it. It makes you start questioning your reality—maybe they never said that thing. And the more they do this, the more you question your reality and start accepting theirs.

    3. They use what is near and dear to you as ammunition.

    They know how important your kids are to you, and they know how important your identity is to you. So those may be one of the first things they attack. If you have kids, they tell you that you should not have had those children. They will tell you'd be a worthy person if only you didn't have a long list of negative traits. They attack the foundation of your being.

    4. They wear you down over time.

    This is one of the insidious things about gaslighting—it is done gradually, over time. A lie here, a lie there, a snide comment every so often...and then it starts ramping up. Even the brightest, most self-aware people can be sucked into gaslighting—it is that effective. It's the "frog in the frying pan" analogy: The heat is turned up slowly, so the frog never realizes what's happening to it.

    5. Their actions do not match their words.

    When dealing with a person or entity that gaslights, look at what they are doing rather than what they are saying. What they are saying means nothing; it is just talk. What they are doing is the issue.

    6. They throw in positive reinforcement to confuse you.
    This person or entity that is cutting you down, telling you that you don't have value, is now praising you for something you did. This adds an additional sense of uneasiness. You think, "Well maybe they aren't so bad." Yes, they are. This is a calculated attempt to keep you off-kilter—and again, to question your reality. Also look at what you were praised for; it is probably something that served the gaslighter.

    7. They know confusion weakens people.

    Gaslighters know that people like having a sense of stability and normalcy. Their goal is to uproot this and make you constantly question everything. And humans' natural tendency is to look to the person or entity that will help you feel more stable—and that happens to be the gaslighter.

    8. They project.

    They are a drug user or a cheater, yet they are constantly accusing you of that. This is done so often that you start trying to defend yourself, and are distracted from the gaslighter's own behavior.

    9. They try to align people against you.

    Gaslighters are masters at manipulating and finding the people they know will stand by them no matter what—and they use these people against you. They will make comments such as, "This person knows that you're not right," or "This person knows you're useless too." Keep in mind it does not mean that these people actually said these things. A gaslighter is a constant liar. When the gaslighter uses this tactic it makes you feel like you don't know who to trust or turn to—and that leads you right back to the gaslighter. And that's exactly what they want: Isolation gives them more control.

    10. They tell you or others that you are crazy.

    This is one of the most effective tools of the gaslighter, because it's dismissive. The gaslighter knows if they question your sanity, people will not believe you when you tell them the gaslighter is abusive or out-of-control. It's a master technique.

    11. They tell you everyone else is a liar.

    By telling you that everyone else (your family, the media) is a liar, it again makes you question your reality. You've never known someone with the audacity to do this, so they must be telling the truth, right? No. It's a manipulation technique. It makes people turn to the gaslighter for the "correct" information—which isn't correct information at all.

    The more you are aware of these techniques, the quicker you can identify them and avoid falling into the gaslighter's trap.

    And what's scary is the number of people who fall for this from Trump...

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    The issue is anyone in the world that discriminant against others not based on character, but based on religion or so called race. For example the idea that Muslims are evil is a pure third Reich talking point, it never gained any strong following in the USA and the following it does have seems to be dying. Look at Charlotsville, the same types that are anti Muslim, also believe Jews are trying to import non white people to somehow destroy the USA...never mind that the Roman Empire, The Persian Empire, the many Catholic Kingdoms of history were very diverse. The 3rd century of the Roman Empire saw many Arab Roman leaders. Look at the maps of history, greatness is with those that are diverse. Empires and Countries have success often because they draw the best people of all religious and so called racial groups.

    Its a straightforward issue. We would not need civil rights groups or democracy if everyone in the world was peaceful. Same with unions, we would not need unions if all employers were just. But we need democracy, we need honor and we need unions.

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  • Massena
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    She's better than Trump and a lost smarter.

    It is the height of hypocrisy to support Trump, who is a serial liar on a variety of subjects, and call anyone else a liar.

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  • Nichols
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/06/polit...ism/index.html
    'Former national security adviser Susan Rice slammed President Donald Trump in an op-ed for The New York Times, writing that his "raw racism" is a global issue.'
    Susan Rice a liar and political hack:


    https://thefederalist.com/2017/09/14...sking-scandal/

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  • Massena
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    https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/06/polit...ism/index.html
    'Former national security adviser Susan Rice slammed President Donald Trump in an op-ed for The New York Times, writing that his "raw racism" is a global issue.'
    '"Is there no floor to how low this President and complicit Republicans are prepared to go to divide America? Yet, the consequences of Mr. Trump's raw racism are not contained within America's shores. They ricochet around the world as far away as New Zealand, poison the international climate and undermine America's ability to secure our global interests," Rice, who served in the Obama administration, wrote in the piece published Tuesday.'

    'Rice's comments come as the country reels from two mass shootings in the span of 13 hours over the weekend in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, that killed at least 31. In the wake of the Texas domestic terrorism case, Democrats and progressives have called out Trump's incendiary language on immigration, accusing him of contributing to the rampage, which was carried out by a white supremacist who is believed to have authored a racist, anti-immigrant document targeting Hispanics. Rice joins former President Barack Obama and former FBI Director James Comey as the latest high-profile former official to speak out against racism following the attacks.'

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  • Jutland
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    Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
    As with most "manifestos " written by deranged killers before they act out on fantasies , this one is one is rambling nonsensical justification for the unimaginable act carried out by a twisted individual.
    It is unimaginable that this can happen right under the nose of his family and friends and nobody had a clue. But it did and this is becoming more and more common.
    As with the Uni-Bomber this nut job alluded to many irrational talking points ranging from ecological, overpopulation, racial biases and what he perceived as personal attacks.
    One would imagine that these insights into the mind of a killer would illuminate the real threat of a fractured mind but instead it becomes fodder for bipartisanship. The logic laid out in this document highlights how each of us can become the targets of a deranged mind without our participation in any perceived offensive behavior on our part.
    This monster is a terrorist. A mass killer. No different than any other lone wolf terrorist.
    Nidal, the Uni-Bomber, the Atlanta Olympics bomber, and now, the El Paso killer.

    In this thread alone we have seen this guys crackpot theories parroted by certain individuals.

    Trump himself has used words like 'criminals', 'rapists', 'animals' and 'invasion', to describe the situation on the Border.

    On multiple occasions he has talked about countries like Sweden and Germany using a narrative lifted straight from hate sites....

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  • Nichols
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    Originally posted by Kurt Knispel View Post
    Here are up to date Federal Firearms Laws:
    It would be interesting to see if it would make a difference if the current laws were enforced.

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  • Urban hermit
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    As with most "manifestos " written by deranged killers before they act out on fantasies , this one is one is rambling nonsensical justification for the unimaginable act carried out by a twisted individual.
    It is unimaginable that this can happen right under the nose of his family and friends and nobody had a clue. But it did and this is becoming more and more common.
    As with the Uni-Bomber this nut job alluded to many irrational talking points ranging from ecological, overpopulation, racial biases and what he perceived as personal attacks.
    One would imagine that these insights into the mind of a killer would illuminate the real threat of a fractured mind but instead it becomes fodder for bipartisanship. The logic laid out in this document highlights how each of us can become the targets of a deranged mind without our participation in any perceived offensive behavior on our part.
    This monster is a terrorist. A mass killer. No different than any other lone wolf terrorist.
    Nidal, the Uni-Bomber, the Atlanta Olympics bomber, and now, the El Paso killer.

    Leave a comment:

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