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  • Holy Toledo!

    Trump's speech this morning:

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...ks-sot-vpx.cnn
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

  • #2
    I don't have any issues with what he is proposing.
    "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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    • #3
      The issue comes down to will he back up what he has said. Past experience dictates that he won't.
      We are not now that strength which in old days
      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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      • #4
        I agree with Trump in principle. However, we have to make sure such laws can't be used to dox people or frivolously take away their rights.

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        • #5
          More on Trump's speech:

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp
          We are not now that strength which in old days
          Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
          Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
          To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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          • #6
            And then there's this:

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/break...cid=spartandhp

            'At campaign rallies before last year’s midterm elections, President Trump repeatedly warned that America was under attack by immigrants heading for the border. “You look at what is marching up, that is an invasion!” he declared at one rally. “That is an invasion!”'

            'Nine months later, a 21-year-old white man is accused of opening fire in a Walmart in El Paso, killing 20 people and injuring dozens more after writing a manifesto railing against immigration and announcing that “this attack is a response to the Hispanic invasion of Texas.”'

            'The suspect wrote that his views “predate Trump,” as if anticipating the political debate that would follow the blood bath. But if Mr. Trump did not originally inspire the gunman, he has brought into the mainstream polarizing ideas and people once consigned to the fringes of American society.'

            'While other leaders have expressed concern about border security and the costs of illegal immigration, Mr. Trump has filled his public speeches and Twitter feed with sometimes false, fear-stoking language even as he welcomed to the White House a corps of hard-liners, demonizers and conspiracy theorists shunned by past presidents of both parties. Because of this, Mr. Trump is ill equipped to provide the kind of unifying, healing force that other presidents projected in times of national tragedy.'
            We are not now that strength which in old days
            Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
            Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
            To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Massena View Post
              And then there's this:

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/break...cid=spartandhp
              'At campaign rallies before last year’s midterm elections, President Trump repeatedly warned that America was under attack by immigrants heading for the border. “You look at what is marching up, that is an invasion!” he declared at one rally. “That is an invasion!”'


              'Nine months later, a 21-year-old white man is accused of opening fire in a Walmart in El Paso, killing 20 people and injuring dozens more after writing a manifesto railing against immigration and announcing that “this attack is a response to the Hispanic invasion of Texas.”'

              'The suspect wrote that his views “predate Trump,” as if anticipating the political debate that would follow the blood bath. But if Mr. Trump did not originally inspire the gunman, he has brought into the mainstream polarizing ideas and people once consigned to the fringes of American society.'
              'While other leaders have expressed concern about border security and the costs of illegal immigration, Mr. Trump has filled his public speeches and Twitter feed with sometimes false, fear-stoking language even as he welcomed to the White House a corps of hard-liners, demonizers and conspiracy theorists shunned by past presidents of both parties. Because of this, Mr. Trump is ill equipped to provide the kind of unifying, healing force that other presidents projected in times of national tragedy.'
              The title of the article you linked;
              Analysis: El Paso Shooting Suspect’s Manifesto Echoes Trump’s Language

              Clearly shows this is an Op-ED; opinion piece, hence subject to slant and bias. One indicator is the frequent use of the term "imigrant" when often the more accurate and precise one would be "illegal alien".

              Interestingly though, it does contain the following;
              ...
              Grant Stinchfield, a former host of NRATV, the defunct online media arm of the National Rifle Association, said his “heart aches” for the victims of El Paso, but he accused the news media and Democrats of unfairly blaming Mr. Trump for a crime committed by a “disgusting, deranged human being.”

              “Evil has existed since the beginning of time,” Mr. Stinchfield said. “To blame the president or any other conservative on the actions of a deranged lunatic is insane and flat-out disgusting. The problem with liberals today is they do not want to take responsibility for anything. They will blame everyone but the shooter.”

              Kris Kobach, the former secretary of state in Kansas and an immigration hard-liner who is close to Mr. Trump, said Democrats were being outrageous. “They are trying to exploit this horrific tragedy to attack the president and push an open-borders agenda and push gun control,” he said. “It’s not only incorrect, it’s improper to do this at a time when people are still grieving.”
              ...

              Which clearly underlines the rush by many of alternate derangements to grasp at any way to "blame Trump".

              Meanwhile, in the process of denouncing white supremacy and white racists, let's not forget that there are other similar movements active in this nation;

              Black supremacy/racism in the form of the Black Lives Matter movement for one and the Hispanic La RAZA (the Race)for another;
              https://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Massena View Post
                And then there's this:
                This post would probably be better in the thread that is blaming Trump for the murders.

                FWIW, I think this thread, Trump's speech has a lot of common ground for all sides.....maybe we could focus on the speech and have a civil discussion?
                "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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                • #9
                  When has Trump taken responsibility for anything that goes wrong during his administration? Never as far as I can find. That is moral cowardice on a very high level.

                  https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/05/polit...aso/index.html

                  'President Donald Trump tried to blame a lot of things Monday for a series of horrific shootings over the weekend. What he didn't do was take any of the blame onto himself or pledge to change his rhetoric.'

                  'He did blame violent video games, mental illness, the internet and a culture that promotes violence for helping to foster white nationalism and hatred behind at least one of the shootings that shocked the country.'

                  'He did not acknowledge the fact that he often traffics in some of the same language as white supremacists like the one who killed 22 people in El Paso.'

                  'Reading from a teleprompter at the White House, the President sounded nothing like the Trump who goes off-script when he tweets or is whipping up crowds of political supporters at campaign rallies. That's why many are laying some blame for the shooting at the feet of the nation's leader.'
                  'This is a politician who built his career around angry rhetoric and trying to pit groups of Americans against each other. No wonder that slightly more than half of Americans -- nearly all of them Democrats -- think their president is a racist.'
                  'He's gained success by debasing the political conversation and appealing to Americans' fears and prejudices, so it was jarring to hear him suddenly and tersely condemn hatred.'
                  We are not now that strength which in old days
                  Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                  Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                  To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Massena View Post
                    When has Trump taken responsibility for anything that goes wrong during his administration? Never as far as I can find. That is moral cowardice on a very high level.
                    I was really hoping that this might be a thread were common ground could be discussed. It looks like it is going to continue where the where the hypocrisy thread ended when it was closed.

                    So Trump didn't accept responsibility for the murders as reported by CNN..... The MSM has been pushing false information to push their agenda that Trump is a racist. They have edited out parts of his speeches to push their agenda. Numerous minorities have backed up Trump saying that he is not a racist..... Yet the MSM still pushes the racist agenda, we saw in the other thread how Lemon started attacking a minister because he said that Trump was not a racist.

                    What president accepted responsibility for murders while they were in office?


                    "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Massena View Post
                      Titled:

                      Trump: Mental illness and hatred pull the trigger, not the gun

                      Seems an accurate truth to me.

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                      • #12
                        An interesting insight into the political thought process of the 30 somethings (and hint of the challenges to come?)
                        ...

                        Political Confessional: The Man Who Thinks The U.S. Is Better Off As A Bunch Of Separate Countries

                        https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...=pocket-newtab

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Nichols View Post

                          FWIW, I think this thread, Trump's speech has a lot of common ground for all sides.....maybe we could focus on the speech and have a civil discussion?
                          There is no such thing with anything regarding Trump, Trump bad, Trump a Racist, Trump a supporter of white nationalism, etc, etc , etc!

                          Trying hard to be the Man, that my Dog believes I am!

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                          • #14
                            Post deleted. Massena is not the topic of the thread - ACG staff
                            Last edited by Skoblin; 06 Aug 19, 00:57.
                            Matthew 25:14-30. Jesus tells that it is not sufficient merely to maintain things as they are. Those who await should make good use of the gifts that God has provided them.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Trung Si View Post
                              There is no such thing with anything regarding Trump, Trump bad, Trump a Racist, Trump a supporter of white nationalism, etc, etc , etc!
                              You finally realized it! Well done!
                              We are not now that strength which in old days
                              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

                              Comment

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