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  • #16
    Originally posted by Massena View Post

    Trump said it, so how is it a 'lie'?
    Trump wasn't talking about the neo Nazi or white supremist. The MSM lied about it and has been for the past 2 years.
    "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."


    • #17
      Originally posted by Nichols View Post

      Trump wasn't talking about the neo Nazi or white supremist. The MSM lied about it and has been for the past 2 years.
      Who was he talking about then?

      Facebook isn't a credible source except for opinion.


      • #18
        Originally posted by Massena View Post

        Who was he talking about then?

        Facebook isn't a credible source except for opinion.
        You should have watched the video before posting about it.

        The person exposing the lie is a CNN political commentator. He clearly shows who Trump was talking about and he also clearly shows the lie that has been repeated for almost 2 years now.

        The video was embedded on Face Book, that doesn't make the video false.
        "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."


        • #19
          Yep, everybody lies but Trump:

          'President Trump defended the white nationalists who protested in Charlottesville on Tuesday, saying they included ďsome very fine people,Ē while expressing sympathy for their demonstration against the removal of a statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee. It was a strikingly different message from the prepared statement he had delivered on Monday, and a reversion to his initial response over the weekend.'

          'Speaking in the lobby of Trump Tower at what had been billed as a statement on infrastructure, a combative Trump defended his slowness to condemn white nationalists and neo-Nazis after the melee in central Virginia, which ended in the death of one woman and injuries to dozens of others, and compared the tearing down of Confederate monuments to the hypothetical removal of monuments to the Founding Fathers. He also said that counter-protesters deserve an equal amount of blame for the violence.'

          'President Donald Trump, in a staggering, impromptu news conference in New York on Tuesday, blamed the violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, over the weekend on both sides of the conflict -- equating the white supremacists on one side with the "alt-left" on the other side -- after his top White House aides spent days trying to clean up after Trump's initial vague response to the violence.'

          'The news conference laid bare his unvarnished view of who was to blame for the violence and what he thinks about the nationwide effort to remove statues of Confederate leaders. Trump's comments were the latest in what has been a jaw-dropping saga ever since the President made his first vague statement on the violence, blaming the conflicts on "many sides." The comments also made clear that Trump's speech on Monday -- which vociferously blamed the violence on the "alt-right" and neo-Nazi groups who initiated the protest -- was largely a sterilized version of his view.'

          '"I think there is blame on both sides,"Trump said during a contentious back-and-forth with reporters in the lobby of his Midtown Manhattan building.'

          'On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastructure permitting. Reporters shortly began asking questions about Trumpís initial response to violent protests in Charlottesville, Va. It was at this press conference that Trump said that "you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides."'

          'On April 25, 2019, former Vice President Joe Biden declared his 2020 candidacy for the Democratic nomination and the presidency by recalling the events in Charlottesville and Trumpís comments. "With those words, the president of the United States assigned a moral equivalence between those spreading hate and those with the courage to stand against it," Biden said.'

          'The next day, Trump responded, saying "If you look at what I said, you will see that that question was answered perfectly. And I was talking about people that went because they felt very strongly about the monument to Robert E. Lee, a great general. Whether you like it or not, he was one of the great generals." Trump also said he would defeat Biden "very easily."'

          'We wanted to look at Trumpís comments in their original context. Here is a transcript of the questions Trump answered that addressed the Charlottesville controversy in the days after it happened. (His specific remarks about "very fine people, on both sides" come in the final third of the transcript.)'

          Reporter: "Let me ask you, Mr. President, why did you wait so long to blast neo-Nazis?"

          Trump: "I didnít wait long. I didnít wait long."

          Reporter: "Forty-eight hours."

          Trump: "I wanted to make sure, unlike most politicians, that what I said was correct -- not make a quick statement. The statement I made on Saturday, the first statement, was a fine statement. But you donít make statements that direct unless you know the facts. It takes a little while to get the facts. You still donít know the facts. And itís a very, very important process to me, and itís a very important statement.

          "So I donít want to go quickly and just make a statement for the sake of making a political statement. I want to know the facts. If you go back to --

          Reporter: "So you had to (inaudible) white supremacists?"

          Trump: "I brought it. I brought it. I brought it."

          Reporter: "Was it terrorism, in your opinion, what happened?"

          Trump: "As I said on -- remember, Saturday -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America. And then it went on from there. Now, hereís the thing --"

          Reporter: (Inaudible)

          Trump: "Excuse me. Excuse me. Take it nice and easy. Hereís the thing: When I make a statement, I like to be correct. I want the facts. This event just happened. In fact, a lot of the event didnít even happen yet, as we were speaking. This event just happened.

          "Before I make a statement, I need the facts. So I donít want to rush into a statement. So making the statement when I made it was excellent. In fact, the young woman, who I hear was a fantastic young woman, and it was on NBC -- her mother wrote me and said through, I guess, Twitter, social media, the nicest things. And I very much appreciated that. I hear she was a fine -- really, actually, an incredible young woman. But her mother, on Twitter, thanked me for what I said.

          "And honestly, if the press were not fake, and if it was honest, the press would have said what I said was very nice. But unlike you, and unlike -- excuse me, unlike you and unlike the media, before I make a statement, I like to know the facts."


          Reporter: "The CEO of Walmart said you missed a critical opportunity to help bring the country together. Did you?"

          Trump: "Not at all. I think the country -- look, you take a look. Iíve created over a million jobs since Iím President. The country is booming. The stock market is setting records. We have the highest employment numbers weíve ever had in the history of our country. Weíre doing record business. We have the highest levels of enthusiasm. So the head of Walmart, who I know -- whoís a very nice guy -- was making a political statement. I mean -- Iíd do it the same way. And you know why? Because I want to make sure, when I make a statement, that the statement is correct. And there was no way -- there was no way of making a correct statement that early. I had to see the facts, unlike a lot of reporters. Unlike a lot of reporters --

          Reporter: "Nazis were there."

          Reporter: "David Duke was there."

          Trump: "I didnít know David Duke was there. I wanted to see the facts. And the facts, as they started coming out, were very well stated. In fact, everybody said, ĎHis statement was beautiful. If he would have made it sooner, that would have been good.í I couldnít have made it sooner because I didnít know all of the facts. Frankly, people still donít know all of the facts.

          "It was very important -- excuse me, excuse me -- it was very important to me to get the facts out and correctly. Because if I would have made a fast statement -- and the first statement was made without knowing much, other than what we were seeing. The second statement was made after, with knowledge, with great knowledge. There are still things -- excuse me -- there are still things that people donít know. I want to make a statement with knowledge. I wanted to know the facts."

          Reporter: "Two questions. Was this terrorism? And can you tell us how youíre feeling about your chief strategist, Stephen Bannon?"

          Trump: "Well, I think the driver of the car is a disgrace to himself, his family, and this country. And that is -- you can call it terrorism. You can call it murder. You can call it whatever you want. I would just call it as the fastest one to come up with a good verdict. Thatís what Iíd call it. Because there is a question: Is it murder? Is it terrorism? And then you get into legal semantics. The driver of the car is a murderer. And what he did was a horrible, horrible, inexcusable thing.


          Reporter: "Can you tell us broadly what your -- do you still have confidence in Steve?"

          Trump: "Well, weíll see. Look, look -- I like Mr. Bannon. Heís a friend of mine. But Mr. Bannon came on very late. You know that. I went through 17 senators, governors, and I won all the primaries. Mr. Bannon came on very much later than that. And I like him, heís a good man. He is not a racist, I can tell you that. Heís a good person. He actually gets very unfair press in that regard. But weíll see what happens with Mr. Bannon. But heís a good person, and I think the press treats him, frankly, very unfairly."


          Reporter: "Sen. (John) McCain said that the alt-right is behind these attacks, and he linked that same group to those who perpetrated the attack in Charlottesville."

          Trump: "Well, I donít know. I canít tell you. Iím sure Senator McCain must know what heís talking about. But when you say the alt-right, define alt-right to me. You define it. Go ahead."

          Reporter: "Well, Iím saying, as Senator --"

          Trump: "No, define it for me. Come on, letís go. Define it for me."

          Reporter: "Senator McCain defined them as the same group --"

          Trump: "Okay, what about the alt-left that came charging at -- excuse me, what about the alt-left that came charging at the, as you say, the alt-right? Do they have any semblance of guilt?

          "Let me ask you this: What about the fact that they came charging with clubs in their hands, swinging clubs? Do they have any problem? I think they do. As far as Iím concerned, that was a horrible, horrible day. Wait a minute. Iím not finished. Iím not finished, fake news. That was a horrible day --

          " I will tell you something. I watched those very closely -- much more closely than you people watched it. And you have -- you had a group on one side that was bad, and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent. And nobody wants to say that, but Iíll say it right now. You had a group -- you had a group on the other side that came charging in, without a permit, and they were very, very violent."

          Reporter: "Do you think that what you call the alt-left is the same as neo-Nazis?"

          Trump: "Those people -- all of those people Ė excuse me, Iíve condemned neo-Nazis. Iíve condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of Robert E. Lee."

          Reporter: "Should that statue be taken down?"

          Trump: "Excuse me. If you take a look at some of the groups, and you see -- and youíd know it if you were honest reporters, which in many cases youíre not -- but many of those people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee.

          "So this week itís Robert E. Lee. I noticed that Stonewall Jackson is coming down. I wonder, is it George Washington next week? And is it Thomas Jefferson the week after? You know, you really do have to ask yourself, where does it stop?

          "But they were there to protest -- excuse me, if you take a look, the night before they were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. Infrastructure question. Go ahead."

          Reporter: "Should the statues of Robert E. Lee stay up?"

          Trump: "I would say thatís up to a local town, community, or the federal government, depending on where it is located."

          Reporter: "How concerned are you about race relations in America? And do you think things have gotten worse or better since you took office?"

          Trump: "I think theyíve gotten better or the same. Look, theyíve been frayed for a long time. And you can ask President Obama about that, because heíd make speeches about it. But I believe that the fact that I brought in -- it will be soon -- millions of jobs -- you see where companies are moving back into our country -- I think thatís going to have a tremendous, positive impact on race relations.

          "We have companies coming back into our country. We have two car companies that just announced. We have Foxconn in Wisconsin just announced. We have many companies, I say, pouring back into the country. I think thatís going to have a huge, positive impact on race relations. You know why? Itís jobs. What people want now, they want jobs. They want great jobs with good pay, and when they have that, you watch how race relations will be.

          "And Iíll tell you, weíre spending a lot of money on the inner cities. Weíre fixing the inner cities. Weíre doing far more than anybody has done with respect to the inner cities. Itís a priority for me, and itís very important."

          Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what youíre calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"

          Trump: "Iím not putting anybody on a moral plane. What Iím saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.

          "But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but thatís the way it is.

          Reporter: (Inaudible) "Ö both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

          Trump: "Yes, I think thereís blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think thereís blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you donít have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

          Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

          Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didnít put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

          Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."

          Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down -- excuse me, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him?"

          Reporter: "I do love Thomas Jefferson."

          Trump: "Okay, good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue?

          "So you know what, itís fine. Youíre changing history. Youíre changing culture. And you had people -- and Iím not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

          "Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."

          Reporter: "Sir, I just didnít understand what you were saying. You were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? I just donít understand what you were saying."

          Trump: "No, no. There were people in that rally -- and I looked the night before -- if you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. Iím sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day it looked like they had some rough, bad people -- neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them.

          "But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest, and very legally protest -- because, I donít know if you know, they had a permit. The other group didnít have a permit. So I only tell you this: There are two sides to a story. I thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country -- a horrible moment. But there are two sides to the country.

          "Does anybody have a final --

          Reporter: "What makes you think you can get an infrastructure bill? You didnít get health care --

          Trump: "Well, you know, Iíll tell you. We came very close with health care. Unfortunately, John McCain decided to vote against it at the last minute. Youíll have to ask John McCain why he did that. But we came very close to health care. We will end up getting health care. But weíll get the infrastructure. And actually, infrastructure is something that I think weíll have bipartisan support on. I actually think Democrats will go along with the infrastructure."

          Reporter: "Mr. President, have you spoken to the family of the victim of the car attack?"

          Trump: "No, Iíll be reaching out. Iíll be reaching out."

          Reporter: "When will you be reaching out?"

          Trump: "I thought that the statement put out -- the motherís statement I thought was a beautiful statement. I will tell you, it was something that I really appreciated. I thought it was terrific. And, really, under the kind of stress that sheís under and the heartache that sheís under, I thought putting out that statement, to me, was really something. I wonít forget it.

          "Thank you, all, very much. Thank you. Thank you."


          • #20
            Originally posted by Massena View Post
            Yep, everybody lies but Trump:
            Are you saying the CNN political commentator is a liar?

            The commentator clearly states the facts, unadulterated by the MSM.

            "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."


            • #21
              You don't understand the smilie?



              • #22
                Originally posted by Massena View Post
                You don't understand the smilie?

                I understand that if I were calling for an immediate suppression....and you were running the FDC, I would be comfortable.

                No impact, no idea what your smile means in relation to this thread.

                Not incredible, just a fact in the current environment.
                "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."


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