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    Worried about terrorism seeping in? Why bother when you can grow your own? The El Passo shootings (about which this forum has been strangely silent) now looks like home grown. Although a terrorist who wears ear protectors doesn't sound quite like a suicide fanatic.
    Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
    Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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    The FBI Director has stated categorically that the 'home grown' terrorist is the most dangerous today.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ests-this-year

    'FBI Director Christopher Wray said Tuesday that the agency has made about 100 domestic terrorism-related arrests since October, and the majority were tied to white supremacy.'

    '”I will say that a majority of the domestic terrorism cases that we’ve investigated are motivated by some version of what you might call white supremacist violence, but it does include other things as well,” Wray said at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, referring to cases in fiscal 2019, which began Oct. 1.'

    'The FBI is “aggressively” investigating domestic terrorism and hate crimes, Wray said, noting that the bureau is focused on investigating the violence, not the ideology motivating the attacks.'

    'Wray distinguished between what he termed homegrown violent extremism, wording he said the FBI uses to refer to people in United States who are inspired by global jihadists, and domestic extremism, which Wray described as broader to include racially motivated extremists, anarchists and others.'

    And there is already a thread on Dayton and El Paso.
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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    • #3
      Very sorry for all the victims .

      R.I.P

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      • #4
        Originally posted by MarkV View Post
        Worried about terrorism seeping in? Why bother when you can grow your own? The El Passo shootings (about which this forum has been strangely silent) now looks like home grown. Although a terrorist who wears ear protectors doesn't sound quite like a suicide fanatic.
        The El Paso case is being treated as domestic terrorism. The Alabama case, IIRC, was a case of workplace violence. The Dayton case is yet unknown, but may be a family situation writ large.

        Foreign terrorism is still a greater threat as it is more organized and directed at us. "Domestic Terrorism" tends to be "lone wolf" types of attacks which are not as easily defended against. Mass murderers do not terrorism make (which requires some sort of political element).

        You troll about how the forum is "strangely silent," but I ask the same thing of you as I did of Rutger. Where were your comments on the Kyoto Animation attack that killed 30+? Or is it only comment worthy if Americans are involved?

        Oh, And I still worry more about the teenager, old fart, drunk, or doper with a set of car keys, as they are more likely to kill me than some nutjob with a gun (or molotov cocktail).

        Tuebor

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Tuebor View Post

          The El Paso case is being treated as domestic terrorism. The Alabama case, IIRC, was a case of workplace violence. The Dayton case is yet unknown, but may be a family situation writ large.

          Foreign terrorism is still a greater threat as it is more organized and directed at us. "Domestic Terrorism" tends to be "lone wolf" types of attacks which are not as easily defended against. Mass murderers do not terrorism make (which requires some sort of political element).

          You troll about how the forum is "strangely silent," but I ask the same thing of you as I did of Rutger. Where were your comments on the Kyoto Animation attack that killed 30+? Or is it only comment worthy if Americans are involved?

          Oh, And I still worry more about the teenager, old fart, drunk, or doper with a set of car keys, as they are more likely to kill me than some nutjob with a gun (or molotov cocktail).

          Tuebor
          Well the same can be said for the attacks in Africa and the middle east that we do not hear much about. It seems attacks in Europe, Australia , New Zealand, Canada or the US get the most attention in the US.
          Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
          Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

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          • #6
            I'll not point my finger. I'll just say a prayer for those lost.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Tuebor View Post

              The El Paso case is being treated as domestic terrorism. The Alabama case, IIRC, was a case of workplace violence. The Dayton case is yet unknown, but may be a family situation writ large.

              Foreign terrorism is still a greater threat as it is more organized and directed at us. "Domestic Terrorism" tends to be "lone wolf" types of attacks which are not as easily defended against. Mass murderers do not terrorism make (which requires some sort of political element).

              You troll about how the forum is "strangely silent," but I ask the same thing of you as I did of Rutger. Where were your comments on the Kyoto Animation attack that killed 30+? Or is it only comment worthy if Americans are involved?

              Oh, And I still worry more about the teenager, old fart, drunk, or doper with a set of car keys, as they are more likely to kill me than some nutjob with a gun (or molotov cocktail).

              Tuebor
              The fact that you have to start categorising mass shootings is significant in its own right
              Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
              Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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              • #8
                I agree that attempting to categorize mass killings is useless. I really don't care what excuses or "justifications " the nitwit used,
                The FBI the State Police and any agencies involved in anti terrorism should have the ability to monitor and take preemptive action against those posting threats and manifestos that promise violence.
                Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MarkV View Post
                  Worried about terrorism seeping in? Why bother when you can grow your own? The El Passo shootings (about which this forum has been strangely silent) now looks like home grown. Although a terrorist who wears ear protectors doesn't sound quite like a suicide fanatic.
                  I'm interested in what you mean by "home grown"
                  "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Nichols View Post

                    I'm interested in what you mean by "home grown"
                    They're fellow Americans.
                    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                    • #11
                      330 million people, 38 thousand motor vehicle death a year, 80 thousand deaths in which diabetes was the underlying cause, 45 thousand suicides, 70 thousand drug overdose deaths, 30 thousand deaths from falls, over a thousand Tuberculosis deaths, 500 small aircraft deaths, 658 small boat fatalities, 5000 food poisoning deaths, 51 lighting related fatalities, 88 thousand alcohol related deaths, 250 thousand medical error deaths, the list goes on.

                      People have trouble grasping large numbers. When you have 330 million people there will be a lot of "unnecessary" deaths. Being killed by a terrorist is however extremely improbable.

                      As we can see from Venezuela not adopting socialism is one of the easiest things we can do to prevent unnecessary deaths.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                        They're fellow Americans.
                        I'm interested to know what his opinion is. If his definition is the same as yours, that would mean that Omar Mir Seddique was also "home grown"
                        "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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                        • #13
                          There are hundreds of home grown terrorist acts in the US, compared to a few that are related to organized terror groups. Simple math says that the former is the bigger issue. But, because they act alone and are white, math gets thrown out the window.
                          "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                          - Benjamin Franklin

                          The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                          • #14
                            So they're white Americans. What is your solution then? What actions do you want taken to prevent more white Americans from acting similarly? Please be specific.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                              Simple math says that the former is the bigger issue
                              Simple math shows that black on black murders in the inner cities of Chicago, DC.......... show what the bigger issue is.

                              Ever wonder why the left leaning MSM doesn't make a big issue out of that?
                              "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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