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  • The hypocrisy.....

    I guess the arrest of two Somalis trying to leave the US to join ISIS (none killed) is more important than:

    (1)
    The Gilroy shooting (three killed, twelve wounded, terrorist attack), which happened before the arrest of the two Somalis.

    (2)
    The El Paso shooting (20 killed, 26 wounded, terrorist attack).

    Aren't the Gilroy and El Paso shootings not infinitely more worthy of your attention and efforts?

    Why the silence?

    Or are you going to say "oh these are lone wolves, there's nothing anyone could've done about it"?
    The usual apologism "Geez, we could never have that seen coming"?

    Everybody will once again reject all responsibility, even if only how to find out how this could help in preventing this in the future?

    Don't you ever start thinking about why in the western world these shootings happen disproportionally often in the US?
    No, you never will.

    Let the apologism and accusations begin.
    "For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return"

  • #2
    Don't forget the Dayton shooting.

    Maybe these horrible incidents are not worthy of attention here because they were not caused by Islamic terrorists but by native-born Americans, one of whom, the El Paso shooter, is most likely a white supremacist?

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/23/politics/fbi-white-supremacist-domestic-terror/index.html

    'The FBI has seen a significant rise in the number of white supremacist domestic terrorism cases in recent months, a senior FBI counterterrorism official said Thursday.'

    'The official said the FBI has been grappling with the rise of domestic threats while international terror threats have remained constant with the fall of the ISIS caliphate in Syria.'

    'The domestic terror cases generally include suspects involved in violence related to anti-government views, racial or religious bias, environmental extremism and abortion-related views.'

    More on the El Paso and Dayton murders:

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/04/us/dayton-ohio-active-shooter/index.html

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/04/us/el-paso-shooting-sunday/index.html

    George P Bush denounces white terrorism:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/george-p-bush-denounces-white-terrorism-after-el-paso-shooting/ar-AAFj6fr?ocid=spartandhp

    'Texas General Land Office Commissioner George P. Bush issued a statement that called on all Americans to stand against "white terrorism" Saturday after a gunman who espoused white supremacist views in a manifesto killed at least 18 in El Paso.'
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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    • #3
      The El Paso killer was known as a quiet loner in school without a criminal record even if he didnít use a firearm he could have used one of the latest methods by terrorists which is driving a vehicle into a crowd like with the Toronto terrorist attack last year.
      If they want to kill theyíre going to do it better mental health would help reduce lone wolf terrorism but itís not the total solution.
      Stopping terrorists like those joining ISIS is good it prevents future terrorist attacks from happening later on back in the country of origin itís nothing to be made light of.
      Last edited by Snowshoveler; 04 Aug 19, 10:04.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Rutger View Post
        (1)
        The Gilroy shooting (three killed, twelve wounded, terrorist attack), which happened before the arrest of the two Somalis.

        (2)
        The El Paso shooting (20 killed, 26 wounded, terrorist attack).

        Aren't the Gilroy and El Paso shootings not infinitely more worthy of your attention and efforts?

        Why the silence?
        Why didn't you post about these earlier?
        "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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        • #5
          The NRA lobbies and buys up congresspeople to shape laws the way weapons/ammunition manufacturers want. The NRA also puts out propaganda heavily in the forms of TV and paper media. The NRA colludes with Russia as well.
          Mental health check before buying a gun? Nope, republicans don't want that. (that would hurt $ales).
          The right is out there blaming video games, thoughts and prayers, etc.

          Republicans in congress put mega-corporations above American people. MIC, Oil, Pharma, etc.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Massena View Post
            Don't forget the Dayton shooting.

            Maybe these horrible incidents are not worthy of attention here because they were not caused by Islamic terrorists but by native-born Americans, one of whom, the El Paso shooter, is most likely a white supremacist?

            https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/23/politics/fbi-white-supremacist-domestic-terror/index.html

            'The FBI has seen a significant rise in the number of white supremacist domestic terrorism cases in recent months, a senior FBI counterterrorism official said Thursday.'

            'The official said the FBI has been grappling with the rise of domestic threats while international terror threats have remained constant with the fall of the ISIS caliphate in Syria.'

            'The domestic terror cases generally include suspects involved in violence related to anti-government views, racial or religious bias, environmental extremism and abortion-related views.'

            More on the El Paso and Dayton murders:

            https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/04/us/dayton-ohio-active-shooter/index.html

            https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/04/us/el-paso-shooting-sunday/index.html

            George P Bush denounces white terrorism:

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/george-p-bush-denounces-white-terrorism-after-el-paso-shooting/ar-AAFj6fr?ocid=spartandhp

            'Texas General Land Office Commissioner George P. Bush issued a statement that called on all Americans to stand against "white terrorism" Saturday after a gunman who espoused white supremacist views in a manifesto killed at least 18 in El Paso.'
            The motive of the El Paso killer is not white nationalism , because he killed also whites .

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            • #7
              Originally posted by inevtiab1e View Post
              The NRA lobbies and buys up congresspeople to shape laws the way weapons/ammunition manufacturers want. The NRA also puts out propaganda heavily in the forms of TV and paper media. The NRA colludes with Russia as well.
              Mental health check before buying a gun? Nope, republicans don't want that. (that would hurt $ales).
              The right is out there blaming video games, thoughts and prayers, etc.

              Republicans in congress put mega-corporations above American people. MIC, Oil, Pharma, etc.

              Mental health check is useless,as most crimes are committed with illegal bought guns .
              And the NRA does not collude with Russia, besides if it did ,it would be legal. Thus ....

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ljadw View Post

                Mental health check is useless,as most crimes are committed with illegal bought guns .
                And the NRA does not collude with Russia, besides if it did ,it would be legal. Thus ....
                Are you in favor of mental health checks?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by inevtiab1e View Post
                  Are you in favor of mental health checks?
                  NO : who would do these checks ? People with political bias,people who should themselves be checked .
                  It would cost a lot of money ,and it is not proved that people who are mentally unstable are tending more to crimes than criminals .
                  Besides, if the result is negative, the person in question can always by illegally a gun .
                  Someone who want to kill people, will always find a way to do it . Mental health checks will not stop him .
                  And, I like to see how a psychiatrist can judge that someone's mental health would be a reason to forbid him to buy legally a gun .The person in question can always appeal, and than,we are going for years .
                  Besides : Scotus could judge that these mental health checks are violating the constitution .

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by inevtiab1e View Post
                    Are you in favor of mental health checks?
                    I have no problem with that, but the question is how do you go about it? What counts as a mental health reason someone should be denied a firearm?
                    Clearly, anyone who has been legally committed should be denied a firearm, but that's already the case. Such language is included in the commitment order. That could be in a database (and made either temporary or permanent based on what the commitment was for) that checks for that when someone buys a firearm.
                    On the other hand, I would be very much opposed to a system where a single individual, even if limited to "professionals," were able to deny someone a Constitutional Right based on their opinion.
                    I could see expanding the criminal charges area to include multiple violent misdemeanors. That is, someone has been charged repeatedly with minor violent acts like getting in a fight at a bar, that sort of thing. Having two or more of these in say a ten year period gets your Right to own a firearm revoked for a like (10 year) period.
                    Making a ban on one's Rights lifetime from the start I see as wrong. People grow and change over a lifetime. Sure, there are those that should never, ever be allowed to own a firearm, but many people today get banned from owning one for silly reasons and that turns into a lifetime thing. That's wrong too.

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                    • #11
                      The President of the United States is as guilty of these senseless murders as if he pulled the trigger himself. He's been stroking the egos and supporting White Nationalism in the United States since taking office. White nationalist and those on this board that support them are a stain on our society.

                      Here's a question? Why haven't white nationalist been designated a terrorist organization? The president threatened to designate Antfa a terrorist organization, and they haven't even been linked to a single death. However, White Nationalist are linked to dozens of lives, including the most recent in El Paso. And yet, we hear nothing about designating White nationalist groups terrorist. Why? Oh that's right, they vote Republican, and according to our president are "good people."
                      Conservatives in the U.S. won't be happy until Jim Crow returns and "White Heterosexual Only" signs are legalized.

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                      • #12
                        Absolutely correct.

                        We are not now that strength which in old days
                        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                        • #13
                          I personally have refrained from posting and discussing it, because there's nothing left to say to these people. What can you say to a group who has openly advocated gunning down "Mexican invaders", and then when someone does just that and cites that as his reason, they all shift blame or search for excuses. I have seen Trump supporters blame this shooting on diversity. In other words, the mere fact that minorities exist are driving them towards hostility and violence, and that's ok to them. That's in their own words. There's nothing that can be said to people with this type of mentality. Instead, we'll inch closer and closer to an all out civil war. When dealing with these type of people, at some point it's going to be the only option left. You cannot reason with the unreasonable, I'm personally done communicating with them.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Anthrax View Post
                            The President of the United States is as guilty of these senseless murders as if he pulled the trigger himself. He's been stroking the egos and supporting White Nationalism in the United States since taking office. White nationalist and those on this board that support them are a stain on our society.

                            Here's a question? Why haven't white nationalist been designated a terrorist organization? The president threatened to designate Antfa a terrorist organization, and they haven't even been linked to a single death. However, White Nationalist are linked to dozens of lives, including the most recent in El Paso. And yet, we hear nothing about designating White nationalist groups terrorist. Why? Oh that's right, they vote Republican, and according to our president are "good people."
                            The KKK for one is a White supremacy group thatís declared a banned terrorist organization.
                            What else can be done with lone wolves that show no signs of becoming terrorists?
                            A different US President isnít going to help stop White supremacist terrorism Timothy McVeigh commited his attack when Clinton was President.

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                            • #15
                              White Christian criminals lead the way in So called terrorist attacks in United States. Black and white Muslims lead the way in terrorist attacks in Africa and the Middle East

                              The problem is that all across the United States there are a few bigots who simply cannot think for themselves. These are the types of people who when they hear on the radio that Islam is bad they just simply agree with it they have no critical thinking skills whatsoever... itís no different then a Muslim in the Middle East that dislikes everything about Christianity.
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