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  • So much for an assault weapon ban

    The garlic festival shooter this weekend purchased an AK-47 in Nevada which is illegal to buy in California to murder 3 people in California.
    If a mass killer wants to kill they’re going to find some way to do it all the newest gun laws anywhere won’t stop killers from finding another ways to do it like buying a knife or from the black market or building a bomb.

    https://www.latimes.com/california/s...ooting-suspect

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    Wait until some crazy uses something like this. Flamethrowers aren't regulated by the ATF, etc., pretty much at all...

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    • #3
      AK's are not hard to buy, but they are only semiauto. They are also not very accurate. By all accounts he bought the gun legally. I am sorry to read about this. It puts legal firearm owners in a bad light.

      Pruitt
      Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

      Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

      by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Snowshoveler View Post
        The garlic festival shooter this weekend purchased an AK-47 in Nevada which is illegal to buy in California to murder 3 people in California.
        If a mass killer wants to kill they’re going to find some way to do it all the newest gun laws anywhere won’t stop killers from finding another ways to do it like buying a knife or from the black market or building a bomb.

        https://www.latimes.com/california/s...ooting-suspect
        I was under the impression that stricter gun laws could have prevented this. Things like universal background checks, mental health checks, etc. Republicans feel there should be no restrictions on anyone purchasing a firearm. Democrats feel it should be more difficult to buy a weapon.

        All's I know is that more guns = more gun violence.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by inevtiab1e View Post
          I was under the impression that stricter gun laws could have prevented this. Things like universal background checks, mental health checks, etc. Republicans feel there should be no restrictions on anyone purchasing a firearm. Democrats feel it should be more difficult to buy a weapon.

          All's I know is that more guns = more gun violence.
          Nope. The guy wasn't mentally ill, had no priors, and filled out and went through the background checks.

          Then the California attorney general points out the absurdity of California's gun laws. The shooter went to Nevada and purchased the weapon legally in all respects. He then transported it illegally into California where he illegally used it to shoot people.
          As I pointed out with the flamethrower thing, more laws to stop this sort of thing only apply to the law abiding.

          There was nothing particularly obvious in the shooter's background that would have raised sufficient alarm to stop anything he did.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

            Nope. The guy wasn't mentally ill, had no priors, and filled out and went through the background checks.

            Then the California attorney general points out the absurdity of California's gun laws. The shooter went to Nevada and purchased the weapon legally in all respects. He then transported it illegally into California where he illegally used it to shoot people.
            As I pointed out with the flamethrower thing, more laws to stop this sort of thing only apply to the law abiding.

            There was nothing particularly obvious in the shooter's background that would have raised sufficient alarm to stop anything he did.
            Isn't that what happens in Chicago and their gun laws? Most people will go to the nearest lax state, buy weapons legally and return to Chicago?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by inevtiab1e View Post
              Isn't that what happens in Chicago and their gun laws? Most people will go to the nearest lax state, buy weapons legally and return to Chicago?
              Happens all over the US. You're a drug dealer in New York? Go to Georgia or the Carolinas and get your weapons and illegally bring them back. In the UK they've gone to absurd lengths to try and stop violence using edged weapons (eg., knives and the like).

              https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives



              As this picture shows you can't even legally own a drywall saw (second one from left shown) there. A keyhole saw would be illegal.



              But, there are lots and lots of stabbings and uses of knives in the commission of crimes. The problem is you can't outlaw criminals.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                Happens all over the US. You're a drug dealer in New York? Go to Georgia or the Carolinas and get your weapons and illegally bring them back. In the UK they've gone to absurd lengths to try and stop violence using edged weapons (eg., knives and the like).

                https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives



                As this picture shows you can't even legally own a drywall saw (second one from left shown) there. A keyhole saw would be illegal.



                But, there are lots and lots of stabbings and uses of knives in the commission of crimes. The problem is you can't outlaw criminals.
                Well, given the current attack in CA by a radical right winger, it's obvious that non-criminals are finding it easy to commit criminal acts. Because of the weapon.

                Guns embolden people to commit violence they normally wouldn't consider with a hammer or knife. Knives are resorted to when guns aren't available.


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                  Happens all over the US. You're a drug dealer in New York? Go to Georgia or the Carolinas and get your weapons and illegally bring them back. In the UK they've gone to absurd lengths to try and stop violence using edged weapons (eg., knives and the like).

                  https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives



                  As this picture shows you can't even legally own a drywall saw (second one from left shown) there. A keyhole saw would be illegal.



                  But, there are lots and lots of stabbings and uses of knives in the commission of crimes. The problem is you can't outlaw criminals.
                  Check your second picture. It's from the Transportation Security Adminstration which last time I checked was not a UK based organisation. It's even credited to TSA.Gov on the image itself.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by CarpeDiem View Post

                    Check your second picture. It's from the Transportation Security Adminstration which last time I checked was not a UK based organisation. It's even credited to TSA.Gov on the image itself.
                    You are so completely wrong. The sign refers to two acts: the Offensive Weapons Act of 1996

                    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1996/26/contents

                    and the Violent Crime Reduction Act of 2006

                    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/...0060038_en.pdf

                    There's the online actual official UK government information.

                    The photo was taken in the UK and shows the effects of current UK law.

                    You, as you frequently do, responded with an ad hominem attacking the source rather than what was presented in the photo.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                      You are so completely wrong. The sign refers to two acts: the Offensive Weapons Act of 1996

                      http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1996/26/contents

                      and the Violent Crime Reduction Act of 2006

                      http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/...0060038_en.pdf

                      There's the online actual official UK government information.

                      The photo was taken in the UK and shows the effects of current UK law.

                      You, as you frequently do, responded with an ad hominem attacking the source rather than what was presented in the photo.
                      Actually you’re correct in one sense but still wrong. My error was saying that it was your second picture when I should have said your second source but first image. Since you went off half cocked you didnt even think to
                      look closer at the point I was making which is the image you claim is
                      showing knives banned in the UK is actually a TSA poster showing knives banned for travel so your comment about dry wall saws and key hole saws being banned in the UK with reference to the image is just wrong
                      As to your tired comment about attacking the source which is your go to
                      when you’re caught out posting garbage. Two points. Any historian worth their salt knows that not all sources are worth the same. Credibility is just as important. Would you argue that Der Sturmer or Pravda are acceptable as sources in a historical discussion or would you argue they are problematic sources? Not all sources are equal.
                      Secondly given the number of times I’ve seen you personally criticize posters for using MSM as a source you don’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to taking people to task for criticizing the quality of sources used. Ad hominem right back at you.
                      Don’t go after others for something you do yourself and perhaps take better care next time when googling and cutting and pasting images

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                      • #12
                        The first picture may be TSA but it is actually pretty accurate. Virtually all knives over 3" and that don't fold, and / or do lock, are illegal for carry in the UK. Further, cutlery like used in kitchens is banned from mail ordering, and the mail.

                        https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives

                        Carrying one of these will get you four years in prison and an "unlimited" fine.



                        Now, I don't know how you roll, but I fix stuff all the time. That for me is an incredibly useful tool. But in the UK I'd be going to prison just for carrying it or using it as a tool.



                        I own like 4 or 5 of those. That's a drywall saw. I'm not entirely sure, but I'd bet that's banned in the UK under their knife laws.

                        This is also banned under UK law:



                        The blade locks in place and you have to press a button to retract it. But, it's less safe non-retracting cousin is legal.



                        UK knife laws are insane and don't make the country safer. In fact, right now, London is less safe than New York City...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                          I own like 4 or 5 of those. That's a drywall saw. I'm not entirely sure, but I'd bet that's banned in the UK under their knife laws.
                          You'd lose that bet....

                          In the UK they're also known as jab saws or plasterboard saws
                          Amazon Uk
                          https://www.amazon.co.uk/Drywall-Saw...node=114574031

                          B & Q hardware stores UK

                          https://www.diy.com/departments/tool...D_PadSawJabsaw

                          Homebase UK Home Improvement Store

                          https://www.homebase.co.uk/search/pr...directFrom=Any

                          Another home improvement store in the UK

                          https://www.wickes.co.uk/search?text=plasterboard+saw

                          Googling UK home improvement stores or looking at exacto/retractable knives on Amazon.co.uk is a good place to start research for what is actually for sale to UK residents.


                          For example here's their page on Stanley knives including retractable ones:

                          https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=stanley...nb_sb_ss_i_1_9

                          Notice anything that looks familiar ( 3rd row down, first item)
                          It's not banned but comes with the following proviso:
                          • Not for sale to persons under the age of 18
                          • By placing an order for this product, you declare that you are 18 years of age or over
                          • This item must be used responsibly and appropriatel

                          Another UK DIY store selling the "banned" retractable Stanley knife:
                          https://www.wickes.co.uk/Stanley-2-1...Knife/p/113773


                          And finally here's the Leatherman UK website:
                          https://www.leatherman.co.uk/on/dema...ree-collection

                          Anything look familiar there?

                          The colour's off but still looks like it has all the bells and whistles.

                          https://www.leatherman.co.uk/free-p4...ection&start=3




                          Last edited by CarpeDiem; 03 Aug 19, 20:48.

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                          • #14
                            Wow! So I can carry a "stab saw" that is as deadly as any knife that size and it's legal. The UK government are idiots. As for the utility knives I meant "banned for public carry." That is, you can own one but can't walk around with it in your pocket.

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                            • #15
                              The english and edged weapons....
                              The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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