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    Steven Miller, the 'architect of the oppressive and largely illegal immigrant policy of the administration was on Chris Wallace's program Sunday:

    https://www.politicususa.com/2019/02...-fox-news.html

    'In his interview on
    Fox News Sunday
    , Wallace told Miller that between 80 and 90 percent of illegal drugs, such as cocaine, heroin, and fentanyl, are seized at U.S. border crossings where there is no need for a wall.'

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-...=.d39f99c7f892

    'Unstoppable rhetoric collided with immovable facts on “Fox News Sunday,” as White House senior policy adviser Stephen Miller defended President Trump’s national emergency declaration and invoked the potential for a veto if Congress disapproves in an interview with Chris Wallace.'

    'The segment focused on the limits of presidential powers to circumvent Congress and procure funds to build 230 miles of barriers along the southern border. Miller described an onslaught of drugs and migrants flowing over the border as justification for the emergency declaration.'

    'Yet, like a small army of fact-checkers have noted before, Wallace told Miller the vast majority of hard drugs seized by Customs and Border Protection are captured at points of entry, not between them, and unlawful migration over the border has fallen 90 percent since 2000.'

    Miller acts like Roy Cohn, an early adviser to Trump, and who was the legal adviser to Joseph McCarthy in the infamous McCarthy hearings in the 1950s. And he is just as vile.
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Massena View Post
    Steven Miller, the 'architect of the oppressive and largely illegal immigrant policy of the administration was on Chris Wallace's program Sunday:

    'Unstoppable rhetoric collided with immovable facts on “Fox News Sunday,” as White House senior policy adviser Stephen Miller defended President Trump’s national emergency declaration and invoked the potential for a veto if Congress disapproves in an interview with Chris Wallace.'
    Except for the fallacies in logic that get used to bash Trump...

    'The segment focused on the limits of presidential powers to circumvent Congress and procure funds to build 230 miles of barriers along the southern border. Miller described an onslaught of drugs and migrants flowing over the border as justification for the emergency declaration.'
    "I have a pen and a phone..." Who said that? Who during his last four years in office operated almost exclusively by executive order?
    Has Congress really done much of anything since it became divided in power?

    'Yet, like a small army of fact-checkers have noted before, Wallace told Miller the vast majority of hard drugs seized by Customs and Border Protection are captured at points of entry, not between them, and unlawful migration over the border has fallen 90 percent since 2000.'
    Question for these "fact checkers." What's the total amount of drugs that cross into the US from Mexico a day, month, year? Honest answer: We don't know for sure. That 80 to 90% of the seizures happen at points of entry means nothing if that represents say 40% of the total that enter the country. It's obvious that considerable amounts enter on foot between these points of entry as for example, this video using a game trail camera shows:



    I've read several pieces that there's regular crossings between Douglas and Sierra Vista AZ by groups of mules who carry the drug loads on foot to points near Wilcox to roughly Benson where they meet internal carriers with vehicles circumventing all the well known fixed ICE and BP check points and points of entry.

    So, their argument a wall would be unnecessary is simply a fallacy of logic called lie by omission.



    Miller acts like Roy Cohn, an early adviser to Trump, and who was the legal adviser to Joseph McCarthy in the infamous McCarthy hearings in the 1950s. And he is just as vile.
    Really? How so? It seems to me that you know little or nothing about the McCarthy hearings which were really the House Un-American Activities Committee hearings. In fact, the Army-McCarthy hearings are a pale shadow of the HUAC hearings-- which I might add have since been largely, if not entirely, validated in terms of Communist infiltration of the US government and other aspects of society.

    Oh, one last thing... What does any of this have to do with race or racism?


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    • #3
      Originally posted by Massena View Post
      Steven Miller, the 'architect of the oppressive and largely illegal immigrant policy of the administration was on Chris Wallace's program Sunday:
      Slow news day.

      That article is from last Feruary, since then the democrats have done a 180 and now they say:

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill...d-crisis%3famp
      "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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      • #4
        Miller was on Fox News Sunday yesterday with Chris Wallace.

        https://www.rawstory.com/2019/07/chr...or-13-seconds/
        We are not now that strength which in old days
        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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        • #5
          I haven't been to Mexico in 30 years but the most overt racism I have seen since the end of Jim Crow was the treatment of indigenous people in Mexico. Similar patterns reflect the history of Central and South America. In it's proper context the issue of racism as it relates to the immigration crisis is racism in the countries where the migrants originate. That is not to say that "Brown" people do not face discrimination in the U.S. only that it is poverty not race that differentiates illegal immigrants treatment from legal immigrants. The worst poverty south of the border being correlated with racial identity. If the above poster wants to address the worst racism he should address it south of the border and come back and tell us how it is done.
          We hunt the hunters

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Massena View Post
            Miller was on Fox News Sunday yesterday with Chris Wallace.
            The OP os linked to the article from 2019-02-17.

            You discussed immigration in the OP, this new article from yesterday discusses the Squad.

            What do you want to talk about in this thread?

            "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Massena View Post
              Miller was on Fox News Sunday yesterday with Chris Wallace.

              https://www.rawstory.com/2019/07/chr...or-13-seconds/

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Massena View Post
                Steven Miller, the 'architect of the oppressive and largely illegal immigrant policy of the administration was on Chris Wallace's program Sunday:
                This is your subjective opinion, which you are not documenting or proving.
                Your implication here is that illegal alien entry is no problem and you are totally on board with allowing this continued law breaking and infiltration of our nation.
                "oppressive" is also a very subjective and arbitrary term to use in context of the need for legal law enforcement of border security. But then, coming from many whom have spent the bulk of their lifetimes looting from the taxpayers, what problem can it be to allow more looters into our country ???

                This is an opinion piece, not an objective article, and the author's own claims make obvious the bias being applied;

                Leo Vidal
                I am a lifelong Democrat with a passion for social justice and progressive issues. I have degrees in writing, economics and law from the University of Iowa.

                Originally posted by Massena View Post
                'In his interview on
                Fox News Sunday
                , Wallace told Miller that between 80 and 90 percent of illegal drugs, such as cocaine, heroin, and fentanyl, are seized at U.S. border crossings where there is no need for a wall.'


                https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-...=.d39f99c7f892
                The implication here is that this is regards illegal drugs "seized", but not necessarily of all drugs coming across the border. There's also a basic common sense and logic applying here in that these are "choke points" which do have barriers, intense staffing, and set procedures for intense inspections, so ... Duhhh !

                What is being dodged is how much does come through on the 90+% of our southern border that has no barriers, no adequate staffing, and very limited capacity to stop-inspect-seize, etc.

                Originally posted by Massena View Post
                'Unstoppable rhetoric collided with immovable facts on “Fox News Sunday,” as White House senior policy adviser Stephen Miller defended President Trump’s national emergency declaration and invoked the potential for a veto if Congress disapproves in an interview with Chris Wallace.'

                'The segment focused on the limits of presidential powers to circumvent Congress and procure funds to build 230 miles of barriers along the southern border. Miller described an onslaught of drugs and migrants flowing over the border as justification for the emergency declaration.'
                As we've seen so often, if it comes from LW propaganda sources; their "Unstoppable rhetoric" is presented as "immovable facts". Yet no documentation or substantiation is provided, as usual. "Trust us and believe us folks".

                Originally posted by Massena View Post
                'Yet, like a small army of fact-checkers have noted before, Wallace told Miller the vast majority of hard drugs seized by Customs and Border Protection are captured at points of entry, not between them, and unlawful migration over the border has fallen 90 percent since 2000.'
                SELECTIVE FACTS sliced and diced by those so-called "fact checkers", meanwhile, seems continued law breaking is OK if it is less in quantity than in prior years. The usual social injustice and dis-service of the loonie-left that believes if it isn't as bad or of prior quantity, it is therefore acceptable.

                Originally posted by Massena View Post
                Miller acts like Roy Cohn, an early adviser to Trump, and who was the legal adviser to Joseph McCarthy in the infamous McCarthy hearings in the 1950s. And he is just as vile.
                Another subjective opinion.
                Conservative~Right Wing advise "bad";
                Liberal~Socialist(seditious) advise is "good"
                ......
                Oh yeah, forgot this interesting excerpt from the OP link;
                " "
                Miller, however, suggested that the U.S. needed screeners “at that same density across every inch and mile of the southern border.”

                You don’t know what you don’t know,” he continued. “You don’t catch what you don’t catch… This is defending our own country!”

                “I question whether or not that’s, in fact, the case,” Wallace commented.

                At the conclusion of the tense interview, Wallace acknowledged that it had been difficult to counter all Miller’s talking points.

                “It’s always a challenge interviewing you,” Wallace remarked.
                " "
                Last edited by G David Bock; 22 Jul 19, 13:53.
                TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
                  I haven't been to Mexico in 30 years but the most overt racism I have seen since the end of Jim Crow was the treatment of indigenous people in Mexico. Similar patterns reflect the history of Central and South America. In it's proper context the issue of racism as it relates to the immigration crisis is racism in the countries where the migrants originate. That is not to say that "Brown" people do not face discrimination in the U.S. only that it is poverty not race that differentiates illegal immigrants treatment from legal immigrants. The worst poverty south of the border being correlated with racial identity. If the above poster wants to address the worst racism he should address it south of the border and come back and tell us how it is done.
                  "Brown people" tend in most cases to be an ethnic sub-division of the "white" RACE, i.e. Caucasians.

                  It's a typical trademark of the Loonie-Left/socialist mindset to confuse nationality with "race" and apply that "race card" rather loosely and inaccurately.
                  TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                  • #10
                    Conservative is not 'right wing.' Right wingers are ideological fanatics as well as being neo-nazis and white supremacists.

                    Liberals are not socialists. Socialists are left wing ideological fanatics.

                    Castigating and condemning an entire political party is nonsense. Neither Democrats nor Republicans are a monolith. To my mind, anyone who votes straight party is an idiot, and is in lock-step with whomever is in charge. Finally, nation should come first, definitely before any political party.

                    Steven Miller is a right wing ideologue and fanatic and is the 'architect' of Trump's immigration 'policies' which include mass incarceration, the separation of families, taking children away from their parents, and breaking the law regarding claims for asylum.
                    We are not now that strength which in old days
                    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                      Except for the fallacies in logic that get used to bash Trump...

                      ... Edit for Brevity ...

                      Really? How so? It seems to me that you know little or nothing about the McCarthy hearings which were really the House Un-American Activities Committee hearings. In fact, the Army-McCarthy hearings are a pale shadow of the HUAC hearings-- which I might add have since been largely, if not entirely, validated in terms of Communist infiltration of the US government and other aspects of society.

                      Oh, one last thing... What does any of this have to do with race or racism?

                      This is a classic tell-tale of the loonie-Left; non-logic and distortions(lies). They omit that the HUAC, mostly a product of the Left in USA of that era, existed long before and long after McCarthy.

                      Also, while McCarthy was focused upon "communists" in the Federal government; either overt or unwitting dupes; HUAC went after a broad swath of Americans; especially in the arts and entertainment fields.

                      FWIW, when the Venona Project findings were declassified decades after "McCarthy", seemed he and his list were largely correct;
                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project
                      https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/de...uments/venona/
                      Last edited by G David Bock; 22 Jul 19, 14:00.
                      TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Massena View Post
                        Steven Miller is a right wing ideologue and fanatic and is the 'architect' of Trump's immigration 'policies' which include mass incarceration, the separation of families, taking children away from their parents, and breaking the law regarding claims for asylum.
                        Okay, so we're talking about the OP, not you second link to the Squad...

                        The democrats did a 180 and agree there is a crisis since the Miller interview in February.

                        Trump's policy is enforcing immigration laws that only Congress can change. This isn't a pen & phone moment. Congress needs to change the law. Blaming Trump for enforcing a law is crazy if you think about it. Would it be better if he didn't enforce laws and made up laws as he went along?

                        "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Nichols View Post

                          Okay, so we're talking about the OP, not you second link to the Squad...

                          The democrats did a 180 and agree there is a crisis since the Miller interview in February.

                          Trump's policy is enforcing immigration laws that only Congress can change. This isn't a pen & phone moment. Congress needs to change the law. Blaming Trump for enforcing a law is crazy if you think about it. Would it be better if he didn't enforce laws and made up laws as he went along?
                          Where does the law say to take away children from parents and then put them in cages?

                          Seven children have died in US custody so far. Who's going to own that?
                          We are not now that strength which in old days
                          Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                          Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                          To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                          • #14
                            Illegal immigration is a criminal activity. Those engaged in it are flight risks in terms of setting bail. After all, they can always flee the US back to their own country if released. That's why it's normal to keep them jailed, take passports (if they have one), that sort of thing.
                            In all other cases of parents being criminally charged and held in jail, it's normal procedure to seperate their children from them and put the children in juvenile custody or foster care.
                            Given that there is mass illegal immigration going on with mass arrests, like this one in El Paso involving over 1,000 illegals crossing as a group-- the largest single mass arrest on the border to date.

                            https://www.foxnews.com/us/over-1000...me-sources-say

                            https://immigrationlawyerusanyc.home...019-at-0607am/

                            So, wouldn't it be normal to see mass incarceration where mass arrests are being made? Wouldn't it be expected that criminal adults would have their children removed and placed in seperate care while the parents were incarcerated or awaiting trial?

                            Sounds to me like you've bought the Left's 'open borders,' "illegal immigration really isn't a crime" nonsense hook, line, and sinker.

                            As for asylum seekers... Under normal circumstances, I might agree that they are a special case and deserve some special consideration. But, for the vast majority, they are not in a category where they should be granted asylum. Fleeing crime, poverty, or a poor domestic relationship are not reasons for asylum to be granted. Thus, something like 90%+ of those appearing at the US Southern border are not eligible for asylum. Instead, they are gaming the system. By requesting asylum they gain entry and are put into custody until an initial hearing. If they are granted a second hearing they know they'll be released and can enter the US and stay illegally if they desire. Bringing in kids with them increases the chances of getting a favorable initial hearing.
                            Thus, why the Trump administration is now requiring them to apply in their home country first and assuming anyone who shows up at the border is simply gaming the system. That's what happens when some abuse the rules in their favor-- everyone gets hurt by the results of those actions.

                            I have ZERO sympathy for illegal, criminal, entrants or immigrants. The US has no need for them, and I see no reason to allow them to stay on US soil other than in custody and awaiting trial, conviction, and deportation.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Massena View Post

                              Where does the law say to take away children from parents and then put them in cages?
                              The law says to separate them, the "cages" were constructed and used by the last administration. While the left wants you to believe that these are families being separated, from various sources many times these kids are not related to the adults that brought them.

                              Congress needs to do their job and fix the law, blaming Trump is ridiculous when Obama did the same thing with no cry from the left.

                              Originally posted by Massena View Post
                              Seven children have died in US custody so far. Who's going to own that?
                              The adults that brought sick children many miles through rough terrain.

                              Are we now going to blame doctors when a patient dies because of unhealthy habits that the patient did?

                              "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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