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  • #31
    Originally posted by ljadw View Post

    The pro and anti of the Trump administration are the business of the US people only.

    Look who's talking. And on and on and on and on and on....
    When are you going to apply for US citizenship?

    "For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return"

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    • #32
      Originally posted by MarkV View Post

      Of course they won't contain Kennedy's correspondence with the Germans such as when he got promised the Scotch Whisky concession in the event of a German occupation
      Brilliant hadn't heard that.

      Mind you Joe Kennedy wasn't exactly popular with his own staff "I thought my canary was yellow, and then I met Joe"

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      • #33
        Hi

        Anyone, who thinks that diplomatic traffic from any nation doesn't contain either blunt or negative POV (from time to time) about a host nation, is sipping a serious amount of kumbaya.

        I can only hope that the culprit for the leak, is outed and suffers the consequences for their personal or political maleficence.

        Regards

        Andy H
        "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." Churchill

        "I'm no reactionary.Christ on the Mountain! I'm as idealistic as Hell" Eisenhower

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        • #34
          ^ Oh, I'm sure it happens all the time -- like friggin' daily. That might have been the first lesson learned from the Manning and Snowden State Dept leaks.
          I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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          • #35
            [QUOTE=TacCovert4;n5127710]The Ambassador from a country:

            -Which has gone from ruling a substantial part of the actual planet (not just 'known world') to a single island in less than a century
            -Which only became our ally when THEY needed help
            -Which only narrowly escaped making itself an actual VASSAL state due to a near government-breaking brexit deal fiasco

            Has an opinion.

            Color me not impressed.

            I don't recall of any Bears that have asked the opinions of a coyote.[/QUOTE]

            theses' always a first for everything:

            The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Rutger View Post


              Look who's talking. And on and on and on and on and on....
              When are you going to apply for US citizenship?
              The pro and anti of the Trump administration are not the business of the British ambassador, neither are they the business of the British government .

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              • #37
                Originally posted by ljadw View Post

                The pro and anti of the Trump administration are not the business of the British ambassador, neither are they the business of the British government .
                But if someone were to talk about the Queen to that Brit Bombast the way he talks about Trump, the whole British government would be up in arms. So much for alleged British reserve and decorum...another myth shot down in flames.
                Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

                  But who will replace him ?

                  Someone will profit from this affair, it's not likely this was an accident...
                  It depends how quickly. If things were sensible then the new ambassador would not be appointed until the new PM takes power however May is following a scorched earth policy and trying to put as many obstacles in Boris's way as possible. She may appoint another ambassador hostile to Boris and Trump out of spite before she goes.

                  As to motivations for the leak, one way or another it is probably to do with Brexit and May's succession.

                  Last edited by Surrey; 11 Jul 19, 02:19.
                  "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Surrey View Post
                    As to motivations for the leak, one way or another it is probably to do with Brexit and May's succession.
                    Seems that everything in Britain is these days

                    High Admiral Snowy, Commander In Chief of the Naval Forces of The Phoenix Confederation.
                    Major Atticus Finch - ACW Rainbow Co.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by ljadw View Post

                      The pro and anti of the Trump administration are not the business of the British ambassador, neither are they the business of the British government .
                      Hi

                      Seriously!

                      You honestly believe that?

                      What in your estimation is the role of any ambassador in any country in the world?
                      In fact given that your in Belgium, what's the role of the Belgium Diplomatic corp

                      Regards

                      Andy H
                      "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." Churchill

                      "I'm no reactionary.Christ on the Mountain! I'm as idealistic as Hell" Eisenhower

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Andy H View Post

                        Hi

                        Seriously!

                        You honestly believe that?

                        What in your estimation is the role of any ambassador in any country in the world?
                        In fact given that your in Belgium, what's the role of the Belgium Diplomatic corp

                        Regards

                        Andy H
                        The role of an ambassador is to answer questions, to give facts, not to give his opinion,if he gives his opinion, he is doing politics, he is judging , and, it is not on the British ambassador to judge the Trump administration, that is reserved on the American people .
                        We can give our opinion, an ambassador can't do this .
                        Especially not someone as Dorrach, who, notwithstanding the fact that he knew nothing about the US, was appointed ambassador .The only reason why he was appointed in Washington,was that he was a political ally of Cameron, who is a public enemy of Trump .He was the NSA of Cameron and a NSA is a political appointee.
                        The man is also totally inept : he knew that his emails could/would be read by dozens of people in London, but still he used them to criticize and attack Trump .
                        Result : a big diplomatic crisis .
                        The role of an ambassador is not to criticize, attack the head of state, of government of the country where he is ambassador . His role is to defend the interests of his country , to improve the relations between both countries, to be neutral .And, when he attacks his host, he is no longer neutral .

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by ljadw View Post

                          The role of an ambassador is to answer questions, to give facts, not to give his opinion,if he gives his opinion, he is doing politics, he is judging , and, it is not on the British ambassador to judge the Trump administration, that is reserved on the American people .
                          We can give our opinion, an ambassador can't do this .
                          Especially not someone as Dorrach, who, notwithstanding the fact that he knew nothing about the US, was appointed ambassador .The only reason why he was appointed in Washington,was that he was a political ally of Cameron, who is a public enemy of Trump .He was the NSA of Cameron and a NSA is a political appointee.
                          The man is also totally inept : he knew that his emails could/would be read by dozens of people in London, but still he used them to criticize and attack Trump .
                          Result : a big diplomatic crisis .
                          The role of an ambassador is not to criticize, attack the head of state, of government of the country where he is ambassador . His role is to defend the interests of his country , to improve the relations between both countries, to be neutral .And, when he attacks his host, he is no longer neutral .
                          The Ambassador was only doing his job. He was giving his candid opinion of what is happening in the USA
                          (whether you,personally, agree with his impressions is really beside the point) It's really what Ambassadors do- and always have done.

                          I'm sure that many adverse opinions have been reported by foreign Diplomatic Representatives to their home countries about the Brexit situation in London- and rightly so.

                          The real culprit is the person who leaked the reports: he/she should be shot.

                          "I dogmatise and am contradicted, and in this conflict of opinions and sentiments I find delight".
                          Samuel Johnson.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by BELGRAVE View Post

                            The Ambassador was only doing his job
                            The ambassador is an idiot. Each embassy has a secure line, why didn't he express those opinions on that line?

                            This past decade has shown numerous examples of leaked emails......was he that stupid to think his emails wouldn't be released.

                            He needs to go, hopefully his replacement will understand to call on a secure line to five his or her assessments.

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                            • #44
                              I disagree
                              1 An ambassador must not give his opinion,because his opinion has no value .An ambassador knows less about the country where he is ambassador ( for a few years ) than people who live since decennia in that country .
                              An embassy cost money ,thus it must pay dividends ,and the main mission of the ambassador is to help British industry to make lucrative deals , not to give his biased opinion about the head of state/government of that country .
                              2 About the leak : the chief responsible is the ambassador : he knew that everything he would send by email would be read by dozens of people in Whitehall, thus that it would be LEAKED .If the ambassador had not given almost publicly his unsolicited opinionor if he had told it to the Foreign Secretary, this would not have happen.
                              The ambassador (former NSA !!!) knew even not the fundamentals of security and of diplomacy ,which is that a diplomat must be discret .A beginner would be fired .
                              An ambassador who was sending emails to dozens of potential leakers where he is criticizing the US president,should never have been allowed at the foreign office .
                              Diplomats must remain in the background and not try to become a star.For this we have politicians .

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                              • #45
                                Darroch is a green fascists : on June 20 he twittered the following :nothing is more important for the future of our planet than tackling climate change .
                                This is not his business, it is a political question ,which is not the business of an ambassador
                                Darroch is not only an enemy of Trump,but also of the US ;
                                a memo of June 10 :
                                As we advance our agenda of deepening and strengthening trading arrangements, divergences of approach on climate change,media freedom and the death penalty may come to the fore .
                                Darroch is here saying that he is hostile US policy of climate change, media freedom and death penalty . These things are not his business , but the business of the American people .
                                Darroch is also very stupid : if you were diplomat and have a brother-in-law who is journalist, you would not tell him sensible information,because you know that journalists always talk .
                                But still Darroch was giving informations, very delicate informations ,to dozens of people in Whitehall ( the British swamp ) although he knew that the only way for sensible information to remain secret at Whitehall, the only solution is not to give anyone this information .

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