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  • #91
    Originally posted by E.D. Morel View Post
    Will this be another war that the USA stumbles into bases on ideology, bad intel and generally being played by other parties?

    There is no short. medium or long term gain for Iran in attacking those ships. As snowygerry said above, Cui bono ?
    Doesn't need to be a "war"; that's a too frequent leap of conjecture common to the Loonie-Left.

    This would be at best a quid-pro-quo response.

    We, USA, likely have enough Intel on the attacks of the past few weeks upon "Open Seas" by "pirates" operating out of the boundaries and nation of Iran. We may have some reasonable intel on where these persons reside/barrack, and the vessels and other resources they used in these attacks upon international waters against neutral ships of various nations.

    It has been the Law of the Seas for centuries now that any nation/power which has the resources, placement, and will to reduce the negative/destructive impact of piracy within international waters and upon shipping/commerce thereof, is free to exercise an unilateral measured military response of retaliation/retribution upon criminal elements that have engaged in such piracy acts.

    It's clear by now that the government of Iran, after these many weeks, has neither resource, resolve, or will to act accordingly within their borders to eliminate this threat and reduce it's future occurrence, therefore the nations attacked and their friends and allies are free and honor bound to take needed response into their own hands.

    We can take some time to assure the most accurate and effective targeting applications of; Mass X Energy-Velocity = Energy-Destruction; upon the persons and material resources used in these attacks with a minimum of collateral damage and impact. The USA has spent the better part of a century working upon improving technologies for applied targeting and destruction devices and here is another chance to field test our most recent chain of developments in that realm of precision mass rearrangement(PMR).
    TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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    • #92
      Originally posted by E.D. Morel View Post
      Will this be another war that the USA stumbles into bases on ideology, bad intel and generally being played by other parties?

      There is no short. medium or long term gain for Iran in attacking those ships. As snowygerry said above, Cui bono ?
      You and Snowygerry, etc. are applying Western/European thinking to actions of a national mindset(personality) which is Fundamental Islamic and rather "Eastern" compared to the thinking, rationalizing, and reasoning of we Kafir, Infidel, Westerners.

      Consider how already, on this forum, and other places on the internet, "the World" is debating and disputing if this was "really" done by Iran, and if we, "the West", should have any response other than "take it". I'd say the PR spins and Western public debate/discord serves as an excellent base for taqiyya for Iran to cloak it's decades old agenda of advancing a Shia version of Jihad upon the world.

      https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/p...n/taqiyya.aspx
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya

      One would think that on a military history forum, between the last few weeks of actions and what maps might show on logistics of such attacks, that the "perp" should be fairly obvious.
      TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Emtos View Post

        What terrorists are you talking about ? Iran didn't started a war in past 40 years. Unlike others.
        Buenos Aires 1992 and 1994 .These were terrorist actions .
        The murder of Iranian dissidents in Europe : these were terrorist actions .

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        • #94
          Originally posted by E.D. Morel View Post
          I think Americans may have a rather biased view of Iran.
          As usual, they are ignorant of, or at least ignoring, a few thousand years of history.

          Iran,China/Russia, Europe.

          Small wonder they stumble around global politics like a blind bull in the ring

          Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
          You and Snowygerry, etc. are applying Western/European thinking to actions of a national mindset(personality) which is Fundamental Islamic and rather "Eastern" compared to the thinking, rationalizing, and reasoning of we Kafir, Infidel, Westerners.
          So enlighten us,

          what exactly is the Iranian/Eastern "national mindset" that explains these actions, that ostensibly inflict harm on no one but themselves, and maybe the Gulf States and (private companies in) Japan and Norway ?
          Last edited by Snowygerry; 18 Jun 19, 02:21.
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          • #95
            Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

            As usual, they are ignorant of, or at least ignoring, a few thousand years of history.

            Iran,China/Russia, Europe.

            Small wonder they stumble around global politics like a blind bull in the ring



            So enlighten us,

            what exactly is the Iranian/Eastern "national mindset" that explains these actions, that ostensibly inflict harm on no one but themselves, and maybe the Gulf States and (private companies in) Japan and Norway ?
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iKuMVqht4U
            Last edited by Bwaha; 18 Jun 19, 02:42.
            Credo quia absurdum.


            Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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            • #96
              Up till now while there has been plenty of sabre rattling over the decades but the US has never really taken any significant action against Iran despite the most extreme provocation.

              Will Trump be any different than previous presidents? Even during the tanker war or the 80s there were no air strikes on Iran proper.
              "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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              • #97
                I don't watch U-tube, it's full of liberals and idiots, who speak much to slow

                It wouldn't be possible to write a short paragraph to make your point yourself, or if need be provide a transcript ?
                High Admiral Snowy, Commander In Chief of the Naval Forces of The Phoenix Confederation.
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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Surrey View Post
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                  Will Trump be any different than previous presidents ?
                  Reportedly Trump is the strongest opponent of involving the US in another Middle-Eastern war in the White House.

                  https://www.npr.org/2019/05/22/72542...-war-with-iran

                  President Trump came into office criticizing the U.S. wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and promised he would try to avoid foreign military engagements.
                  National security adviser John Bolton and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo have been especially aggressive in their Iran rhetoric.
                  Some of Iran's hard-liners might welcome a conflict with the U.S. because it would undermine moderate Iranians who want to engage with the West.
                  Last edited by Snowygerry; 18 Jun 19, 02:50.
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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

                    I don't watch U-tube, it's full of liberals and idiots, who speak much to slow

                    It wouldn't be possible to write a short paragraph to make your point yourself, or if need be provide a transcript ?
                    Oh your going to miss so much humor. That's the only thing I live for. That's what its all about.
                    Credo quia absurdum.


                    Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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                    • Ok maybe later then, I'm not supposed to be laughing here, this is serious business.

                      Even smiling while I type might seem suspicious
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                      • Originally posted by E.D. Morel View Post
                        Will this be another war that the USA stumbles into bases on ideology, bad intel and generally being played by other parties?

                        There is no short. medium or long term gain for Iran in attacking those ships. As snowygerry said above, Cui bono ?
                        4 examples of cui bono
                        1 The Iranian economy is badly hurt by US sanctions ,the Iranian military interventions in Yemen, Iraq and Syria and the financial support to terrorist organisations .The implicit message can be : if you stop the sanctions,we will stop the attacks
                        2 If US do not reply ,it is a big victory for Iran
                        3 If US reply, the Iranian rulers will tell the people that Iran is attacked and that people must unite .
                        4 The attacks are hurting the oil exports of KSA ,which is an enemy of Iran .

                        The OP should not be : what will Trump do , but what can Trump do : He can't do much : a big war is impossible as the Iranian lobby in the US will prevent it and as US have not the power to start a classic ground war against Iran .

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                        • Iranian oil production :
                          May 2018 : 3.8 million barrels a day
                          January 2019 :2.75 million barrels a day
                          Oil exports
                          April 2018 :2.5 milion barrels a day
                          March 2019 : 1 million /1,1 million
                          If the attacks increase the oil price, that,s another benefit for Iran .

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                          • Originally posted by ljadw View Post

                            Buenos Aires 1992 and 1994 .These were terrorist actions .
                            The murder of Iranian dissidents in Europe : these were terrorist actions .
                            They weren't the official responsibles in Buenos Aires. Murder of dissidents is not terrorism. If it's, then Saudi Arabia should be bombed.
                            There are no Nazis in Ukraine. Idiots

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                            • Originally posted by Emtos View Post
                              If it's, then Saudi Arabia should be bombed.
                              Why ?

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                              • Originally posted by ljadw View Post
                                Why ?
                                They killed a dissident. It's terrorism by your definition.
                                There are no Nazis in Ukraine. Idiots

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