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  • #46
    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

    Or, least we forget, how Hillary and Bill were pulling off "Chinagate" back when he was in office...

    https://www.independentsentinel.com/...-gate-scandal/

    https://www.judicialwatch.org/cases/chinagate/

    https://spectator.org/chinagate-and-the-Clintons/

    The Clintons are easily the most brazen consumers of foreign influence buying in American politics in history... They've taken tens, possibly hundreds, of millions in foreign money for quid pro quo.
    And the press happily cover it up by attacking any politician or reporter who brings up the numerous scandals involving the Clintons, and make no mistake, they have involved so many prominent people in both parties and in the press, they have to be protected
    Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
    Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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    • #47
      Hillary had at least 13 fundraisers outside the US and 70 British Labour activists supported the Hillary campaign in Charlotte ( NC ).
      She also received $ 375000 from foreign lobbyists, Schumer 105000 ( mostly from KSA ), Tony POdesta 120000 from a rich country as South Sudan...........

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      • #48
        Trump really screwed the pooch this time:

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opini...cid=spartandhp

        'By putting a "for sale" sign on his forehead – and indicating that he's open for business when it comes to receiving dirt on his political rivals – President Donald Trump is encouraging foreign governments to attack his political opponents.'

        'We know that Russia used various tools to attack Hillary Clinton – and then laundered that stolen information through organizations including WikiLeaks as part of an information warfare campaign. No one, especially the President, who has access to the most sensitive intelligence in the world, can claim ignorance about how Russia attacked Clinton.'
        We are not now that strength which in old days
        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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        • #49
          More on the subject of the President' recent foot-in-mouth problem. And he's acting like a child once again...

          https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/13/polit...ent/index.html

          'President Donald Trump threw up a smokescreen of deflection and confusing counter attacks Thursday as a furor mounted over his staggering comment that he would be open to dirt dug up on his 2020 opponents by foreign powers such as Russia or China.'
          'The President even implied -- clearly erroneously -- that he had been merely referring to the content of his conversations with foreign dignitaries such as the Queen of England and Prince Charles when he made the remark in an ABC News interview.'

          'Even in a presidency that long ago burned through all conceivable superlatives, Trump's statement was a stunner.'

          'This was more than a mere candidate calling on Russia to find Hillary Clinton's emails. It went further than dumping on US intelligence agencies by believing Russian President Vladimir Putin's smirking denials of election interference. Or Trump's claims that the Kremlin's 2016 interference caper is one big Democratic hoax.'
          We are not now that strength which in old days
          Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
          Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
          To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by ljadw View Post
            Hillary had at least 13 fundraisers outside the US and 70 British Labour activists supported the Hillary campaign in Charlotte ( NC ).
            She also received $ 375000 from foreign lobbyists, Schumer 105000 ( mostly from KSA ), Tony POdesta 120000 from a rich country as South Sudan...........
            Of course this did not make Clinton obligated to, in debt to, a stooge of, or "influenced by" any foreign(outside USA) Interests/Powers/Nations.

            She is of the Liberal, Loonie-Left, Socialist/communist political faction and per her supporter and colleague Massena here, the laws and ethics don't apply to her or that faction in our political systems and processes.

            Only when done by those on the Right, Conservative, Republican Party side does this become a danger to the Nation and Constitution.


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            • #51
              Originally posted by Massena View Post
              Trump really screwed the pooch this time:

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opini...cid=spartandhp

              'By putting a "for sale" sign on his forehead – and indicating that he's open for business when it comes to receiving dirt on his political rivals – President Donald Trump is encouraging foreign governments to attack his political opponents.'

              'We know that Russia used various tools to attack Hillary Clinton – and then laundered that stolen information through organizations including WikiLeaks as part of an information warfare campaign. No one, especially the President, who has access to the most sensitive intelligence in the world, can claim ignorance about how Russia attacked Clinton.'
              '' We know "" is a lie.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by BorderRuffian View Post
                Shouldn't get to giddy about it. Most polls over-sample Democrats. In the last days before an election they usually give more accurate results so as not to look so bad in their predictions, but prior to that they act basically as a cheerleading outfit for the Demos. The aim of most of them is to fashion public opinion rather than reflect it.
                WAIT!
                You mean "influence" an election and it's results?!

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                • #53
                  Trump blew it. He should've just mentioned proof that He didn't do it in 2016 and the proof is the Muller report. He should've also stated that Bidens dirt with the Ukraine and China.

                  WASHINGTON — It was a foreign policy role Joseph R. Biden Jr. enthusiastically embraced during his vice presidency: browbeating Ukraine’s notoriously corrupt government to clean up its act. And one of his most memorable performances came on a trip to Kiev in March 2016, when he threatened to withhold $1 billion in United States loan guarantees if Ukraine’s leaders did not dismiss the country’s top prosecutor, who had been accused of turning a blind eye to corruption in his own office and among the political elite.
                  The pressure campaign worked. The prosecutor general, long a target of criticism from other Western nations and international lenders, was soon voted out by the Ukrainian Parliament.
                  Among those who had a stake in the outcome was Hunter Biden, Mr. Biden’s younger son, who at the time was on the board of an energy company owned by a Ukrainian oligarch who had been in the sights of the fired prosecutor general.

                  https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/01/u...n-ukraine.html
                  Credo quia absurdum.


                  Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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                  • #54
                    The key issue being overlooked here is that of "dirt" = something incriminating or disparaging regards a candidate running for elected office.

                    We as citizens and voters (and taxpayers, whom are co-signers/underwriters to the guv'mint budget/deficit/debt) have a Right and reasonable expectation for a level of integrity, ethics, and honesty from the candidates running for elected office and seeking to get our vote. If there is "dirt" on a candidate, some negative aspect, knowledge, past doings, etc. that would "influence"(inform) our vote and such is being hidden from the voting public, that is the real "crime" in our process and it should not matter from whom or where this "truth" is revealed.

                    The fact that some candidates have negative aspects of their character, actions, dealings that they are trying to hide from public disclosure is the larger and more dangerous crime to both our elective processes and the security of the Nation, as this displays an intention to engage fraud and deceit to acquire a publicly elected office from which to produce legislation and national policy directions.

                    This Nation(USA) was founded upon the principle, set out in our Constitution, of an "informed electorate(citizen voters)" choosing their representatives/political leadership and the more traitorous conduct is that of those whom seek to deny that informed voting public the information they need to wisely and effectively choose how to cast their ballots. Source, from whom or where, such essential information comes is not the issue, the revelation or with-holding of such is.

                    One person's "dirt" might be another person's "fake(fabricated) news", but this is something that our founding principles and Constitutional structure assumes that a voting citizen has a Right to know and access when choosing how to cast their ballot. When one engages and supports the constraint of such essential information to the voting public they are engaging the classic methods of many a dictatorship and hence are the real enemies of our Nation, it's founding Concepts, Principles, and legal methods.

                    If we can not trust the citizen/voter to assess information regarding the candidate choices, how then can we expect them to be also able to cast that "informed electorate" vote which is the foundation of our Nation and it's self-governing concepts and principles?

                    Yes, for those whom may not have picked up on it yet, I'm primarily addressing this towards a certain member/poster here with a user name that starts with "M" and is synonymous with that of a Napoleonic Era general; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9_Mass%C3%A9na
                    ... whom frequently wraps himself in our National Flag and engages a pretext of false patriotism and "national concern" while denigrating all whom don't agree with his seditious positions and views.

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                    • #55
                      in·flu·ence

                      /ˈinflo͝oəns/ Learn to pronounce




                      noun
                      noun: influence; plural noun: influences
                      • 1.
                        the capacity to have an effect on the character, development, or behavior of someone or something, or the effect itself.
                        "the influence of television violence"
                        synonyms: effect, impact; More control, sway, hold, power, authority, ascendancy, mastery, domination, supremacy, leadership;
                        guidance, direction, pressure
                        "the influence of parents on their children"
                        • the power to shape policy or ensure favorable treatment from someone, especially through status, contacts, or wealth.
                          "the institute has considerable influence with teachers"
                          synonyms: power, authority, sway, leverage, weight, standing, prestige, stature, rank, ranking, position, social position, station, connections, contacts; More weightage;
                          informalclout, pull, muscle, teeth;
                          informaldrag
                          "he had used his political influence in the firm's interests"
                        • a person or thing with the capacity or power to have an effect on someone or something.
                          "Frank was a good influence on her"
                          synonyms: example to/for, exemplar for, role model for, model for, guide for, inspiration to "she has been denounced as a bad influence on young girls"
                        • archaic•Physics
                          electrical or magnetic induction.


                      verb
                      verb: influence; 3rd person present: influences; past tense: influenced; past participle: influenced; gerund or present participle: influencing
                      • 1.
                        have an influence on.
                        "government regulations can influence behavior, but often without changing underlying values and motivations"
                        synonyms: affect, have an effect on, exert influence on; More



                      https://www.google.com/search?client...-d&q=influence

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Massena View Post
                        More on the subject of the President' recent foot-in-mouth problem. And he's acting like a child once again...

                        https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/13/polit...ent/index.html

                        'President Donald Trump threw up a smokescreen of deflection and confusing counter attacks Thursday as a furor mounted over his staggering comment that he would be open to dirt dug up on his 2020 opponents by foreign powers such as Russia or China.'
                        'The President even implied -- clearly erroneously -- that he had been merely referring to the content of his conversations with foreign dignitaries such as the Queen of England and Prince Charles when he made the remark in an ABC News interview.'

                        'Even in a presidency that long ago burned through all conceivable superlatives, Trump's statement was a stunner.'

                        'This was more than a mere candidate calling on Russia to find Hillary Clinton's emails. It went further than dumping on US intelligence agencies by believing Russian President Vladimir Putin's smirking denials of election interference. Or Trump's claims that the Kremlin's 2016 interference caper is one big Democratic hoax.'
                        CNN...

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                        • #57
                          Can you prove or demonstrate that what was reported by CNN is incorrect? If not, then the point is moot.
                          We are not now that strength which in old days
                          Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                          Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                          To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Massena View Post
                            Can you prove or demonstrate that what was reported by CNN is incorrect? If not, then the point is moot.
                            The lies of CNN. https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/cnn/false/

                            Credo quia absurdum.


                            Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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                            • #59
                              Why Taking Help From Foreign Governments is a Very Bad Idea:

                              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

                              'Sure, he'd take dirt on an opponent from a foreign government, he told ABC News' George Stephanopoulos in an interview that left lawmakers on both sides of the political aisle gobsmacked. Who wouldn't?'


                              'But as both a legal and a practical matter, it is not reasonable. Stephen Vladeck, a CNN legal analyst and national security expert at the University of Texas School of Law, came up, very quickly, with a short list of issues.'

                              'The top-level points are his and the explanations underneath are from me.'

                              'It's illegal'

                              'It's a crime under federal election law for a campaign to knowingly solicit or accept items of value from foreign nationals. In this case, dirt on a opponent could qualify as something of value.'
                              We are not now that strength which in old days
                              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Massena View Post
                                Why Taking Help From Foreign Governments is a Very Bad Idea:

                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

                                'Sure, he'd take dirt on an opponent from a foreign government, he told ABC News' George Stephanopoulos in an interview that left lawmakers on both sides of the political aisle gobsmacked. Who wouldn't?'


                                'But as both a legal and a practical matter, it is not reasonable. Stephen Vladeck, a CNN legal analyst and national security expert at the University of Texas School of Law, came up, very quickly, with a short list of issues.'

                                'The top-level points are his and the explanations underneath are from me.'

                                'It's illegal'

                                'It's a crime under federal election law for a campaign to knowingly solicit or accept items of value from foreign nationals. In this case, dirt on a opponent could qualify as something of value.'
                                So what your saying is we should lock her up, eh? What about the FBI and the CIA officials who lied to the FISA court to unlawfully surveil the Trump team? Oh wait it was against Trump so that's okay?
                                Credo quia absurdum.


                                Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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