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  • A Trump Win?

    Trump will never get Mexico to pay for the Wall. It appears that he is getting Mexico to help pay for securing our borders. Is it reckless? Yes without a doubt but it looks like his threats of tariffs is forcing Mexico to help him secure the border. From CNN:

    https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/06/07/pol...www.cnn.com%2F
    "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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    He used the tool(s) available to him to secure his desired goal.

    I do not see why he would not use the same lever(s) to get Mexico to pay for the wall (or any other behaviour.)

    It would be most illogical for him (or anyone else, for that matter) to not pursue a proven avenue to success.
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    • #3
      What choices did he have really? The Democrats are unwilling to do anything on illegal immigration other than open the borders and make them all citizens it seems.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
        What choices did he have really? The Democrats are unwilling to do anything on illegal immigration other than open the borders and make them all citizens it seems.
        That's not true. You know it.

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        • #5
          I think we all know that there is a bit of burn it all down in the open borders stance. It reflects a mutant personality complex characterized by a lack of conscientiousness that runs through the evolution of "leftist" ideology. Look at the personal lives of Rousseau, Marx, and Foucault to see how it manifests itself in behavior. You can tell what something is not by what it says it is but by what it produces.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
            I think we all know that there is a bit of burn it all down in the open borders stance. It reflects a mutant personality complex characterized by a lack of conscientiousness that runs through the evolution of "leftist" ideology. Look at the personal lives of Rousseau, Marx, and Foucault to see how it manifests itself in behavior. You can tell what something is not by what it says it is but by what it produces.
            That's your opinion and a conspiracy theory.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by inevtiab1e View Post
              That's not true. You know it.
              Actually, it's close to the truth, and their actions prove it. The Democrats have refused to:

              Fund more immigration judges

              Fund any more wall, and in fact have sued to stop Trump from using a national emergency and shifting funds to build one too.
              https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1T5055

              Change immigration laws, policy, or amnesty rules
              https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/10/m...n-problem.html
              https://www.ajc.com/news/national/de...Lla8oJtrfOpoM/

              At the same time, the Democrats are for:

              Open borders-- Some overtly, many more through their actions without saying so:
              https://www.investors.com/politics/e...-open-borders/
              https://thepoliticalinsider.com/why-...-open-borders/
              https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...s-open-borders

              Making those illegally here citizens:
              https://www.news4jax.com/news/politi...ted-immigrants
              https://www.americanlibertyreport.co...-us-elections/



              https://www.vox.com/2019/3/12/182615...democrats-bill
              https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/06/opini...ion/index.html



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              • #8
                The only thing that has been promoted in these forums that has been proven to be a conspiracy theory is Trump-Russia.

                Perhaps one of the worst consequences of leftist propaganda is the corruption of language. George Orwell warned us that new speak was a real and present danger to the social fabric.

                When Beria said show me the man and I will find the crime he personified the media establishments approach to political enemies. The crimes are now of course thought crimes and the punishment deplatforming. The make believe criminals are labeled with buzz words such as conspiracy theorist, far right, some variety of phobe, racist and fascist to the point that those words no longer have meaning. When language is corrupted in this way it becomes a blunt instrument in the pursuit of reality. People that have absorbed the new speak they literally can be said to have been driven insane by having their thinking tools deformed.

                When your ability to see patterns is disrupted the propagandists will control you reality.
                We hunt the hunters

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                • #9
                  And Goebbels said "say it often enough and it becomes the truth."
                  Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
                    I think we all know that there is a bit of burn it all down in the open borders stance. It reflects a mutant personality complex characterized by a lack of conscientiousness that runs through the evolution of "leftist" ideology. Look at the personal lives of Rousseau, Marx, and Foucault to see how it manifests itself in behavior. You can tell what something is not by what it says it is but by what it produces.
                    Absolutely right, and what they have produced as been very constant; shortages where none existed before, a divided people, ever increasing bureaucracy with ever decreasing efficiency ....and on and on it goes.

                    Same old thing. I have to wonder, why am I sitll doing this?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by inevtiab1e View Post
                      That's not true. You know it.
                      It is totally true and you know it.

                      Good for Trump, who is doing what Democrats have refused to do for decades. Imagine how many of our national problems could be resolved if the Democrats would get back to work serving the nation and the citizens they are sworn to represent.

                      You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
                      Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post

                        Absolutely right, and what they have produced as been very constant; shortages where none existed before, a divided people, ever increasing bureaucracy with ever decreasing efficiency .... in fact, I have something on that last one.


                        (oh look, my internet is freezing up again while I am connected here, that makes five out of five. I'll take care of this, rest assured. This only makes me want to double-down ten times as hard, and I will)
                        Wasn't the Golden Upgrade supposed to fix all that?
                        Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by inevtiab1e View Post
                          That's not true. You know it.
                          The more illegal immigrants, the more voters for the Democrats .
                          The more illegal immigrants, the less ''the danger '' that wages will increase.Illegal immigrants are strike-breakers .
                          The more illegal immigrants, the more union members and thus the higher the wages of the union bosses .

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                          • #14
                            Corruption of the language?

                            Surely, no one from the right would be so foul as to stoop to such behaviour, right?


                            Well, here's something new for you: the right is guilty of corruption of the language just as much.
                            Don't need statistics for that.
                            They're humans. and each and every human will return to the same tactics, no matter left or right.

                            Just one tiny example:
                            On this forum anyone not from the full right is immediately named "progressive", "socialist", "communist", "leftist", "anti-semite", "fascist", "liberal", etc.
                            Seems to me lots of people here have created their own definitions to allow them to call others the above.
                            And these are just a few examples.
                            Thread after thread after thread. There's your corruption of language.

                            Today our language tells us that we are human capital,that policies must be market-based, that welfare is an expletive, that no one is entitled to anything and that liberal means profligate and intolerant.
                            https://www.onthecommons.org/magazin...-language-wars
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                            • #15
                              Liberal used to not be a dirty word, until the Left corrupted it.

                              Conservative used to not be a dirty word, until the Right corrupted it.

                              Liberal means open to freedom and change, but not necessarily in favor of change at any cost. Conservative means generally opposed to rapid change, wants things to be done in a rational and measured way.
                              Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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